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[bhoughton]

*skips arguments*

quit arguing. it's just for fun.

That's it! and cschurz, almost 200 posts Good work !

[Weirauch]

OK so i read this a bit ago and i had a battle inside myself on whether or not i should throw my thoughts and feelings into the mix. One because I am newer and I'm not sure if its OK for me to get involved with these types of discussions yet. And two, because these arguments are based on pure emotion and therefore no one will ever completely agree.

That being said here goes nothing. I agree with Tabooti in general on this one. I find it crude that the symbol would be related to the opticraft webpage what-so-ever. I have no idea why it is on the page. It probably was never meant to cause anyone distress or harm. But I cant think of any reason for it to be there. I Feel if it does offend anyone and that person can prove a valid point ^Tabooti^ then it should seriously be considered for removal.

To whomever was saying it is just a symbol. Yes that may be true. Its just a picture on a piece of paper/cloth. Alone it never caused anyone any harm. But the men and women who wore that symbol did. They killed, tortured, and destroyed everything they saw unworthy. And whether or not it bugs you personally should not be your greatest concern. Think about the people who will find it. If it has the potential to cause harm. Why have it?

-MDW-

[Hasan (Tabooti)]

I've already argued this with Relkab, I'm not sure what his final stance on this was. But it was something like "It's okay, because it only pops up once every 1500 times"
So, if it's okay to have something like that, why not put a christian cross up there? or the star of David, the swastika, and Muslim crescent.

Other than the fact that genocides were committed and justified with these symbols. You know that people could get offended by it.
Personally I'm offended that there's a Hammer and Sickle here in Opticraft. And I'm quite sure that anyone from the Scandinavia, and Slavic countries would be deeply offended. There are even groups from their country that still attack, and defame soldiers from the red army, because of what they did to their people.

I can list off another genocide in the name of communism Holodomor.

In accordance with the information from the Ukrainian Ministry for Foreign Affairs, 14 countries have recognized the Holodomor as an act of genocide:

Australia
Canada
Colombia
Ecuador
Estonia
Georgia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Mexico
Paraguay
Peru
Poland
Vatican

and 5 countries have recognized the Holodomor as a criminal act of the Stalinist regime:

Argentina
Chile
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Spain


UTTERLY DISGUSTING THAT YOU EVEN PASS THIS AS A JOKE.

Here's part one of a documentary about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KnnUHdlTkto


If it's unacceptable to put up a symbol such as a Swastika, It should be unacceptable to put in a symbol that represents a greater evil!

[matticus21]

Im going to agree with tabooti.
It's a symbol of communism. It also represents pain and suffering various countries suffered from due to communism. I also dont see how this symbol has any relevance to opticraft. So why fight to keep this symbol?

[Hasan (Tabooti)]

I'm sure more people will agree. Spread the word.

Here's a simple photo you can put in your signature.

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[SalasCraft]

Tabooti, I think there are far more issues server wise than bothering the admins with this nonsense, it was just an inside joke, just like all those Hitler memes, all those racist memes, no one bitches about.
Just chill out, and enjoy minecraft. If I am not mistaking, optical himself is a russian.

[TarynMai]

The fact that this topic exists is pretty sad. I understand why youre upset, but dotn you think youre overreacting? Just a bit?

[Duinis]

Booti, no offence, but aren't you overreacting just a bit? I mean, the symbol is just a joke. Not like Optical is about to make us do genocide or something. Making links, fighting to remove it....Isn't that a bit over the top?

[Hasan (Tabooti)]

The idea this it's 'okay' and to consider this a 'joke' is sick where it is. And no, of course I'm not over reacting. Hitler memes are in mockery of Hitler. Putting up a swastika with something that says "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" Doesn't make it okay either.
Even if optical is a Russian, it doesn't make him a communist. Other than that, most people that suffered under communism are the people of the other slavic nations such as the Ukraine, Estonia, Bolivia, Norway, Finland, and so on.

Everyone would be pissed off if a swastika was up there. I know I would be.

Duinis, I know that this symbol doesn't hold any political emphasis here. But the symbol is offensive in it's nature. It's offensive to the nations, and people who had to suffer under soviet rule.

Soviets murdered as many Ukrainians as they could, because they were branded as 'nationalists' and had a 'national identity'
It's SICK. Why are you even defending this symbol? Remove it and get over with it. It's disgusting. Even the Che Guevara, the man who bravely murdered innocent civilians has a T-shirt and is franchised.

All for what? This is a much larger issue than just in Opticraft. How could we as Humans even stand aside, and joke about any of this?
As I said, If this was a swastika, everyone would be angry over it. Yet you defend a symbol that's much darker, and so much sinister?

You can say "Communism was a great idea, but it failed" But as I just demonstrated that's completely false. It's a sick ideology that cannot work without the systematic extermination of millions. and that's proven in every communist country.

This is a very reasonable reaction, and I hope you join me in it. If not for the sake of millions, then for the sake of what will shape Human moral standards. I could simply PM optical, and have think about it. But It would make a difference if I could say that lots of people agree with me. It's also better for everyone to understand why we can't stand for such hateful symbols.

[Hasan (Tabooti)]

Also, Watch the documentary that I provided, and tell me about how this Icon is okay.

In addition, Holocaust, and Hitler jokes belong in 4chan. Not on a mine craft forum.

Ternopil says president and parliament should condemn crimes of Communist era including artificial famines, forced collectivization, annihilation of Ukrainian intelligentsia, killing of nationalist leaders and the post-war terror campaign.

KYIV, May 22, 2011 (UBO) -- Deputies of the Ternopil City Council, where national-patriotic Svoboda dominates, adopted an address to the president and the parliament demanding condemnation of the crimes of the Communist regime and a ban on Communist ideology, UkrInform reported
 
Crimes of the Communist regime committed against Ukraine in Ternopil include destruction of the Ukrainian People's Republic, military-political occupation of Ukraine in 1918-1921, accompanied by murderous terror, artificial famines of 1921, 1932-1933 and 1947 years, forced collectivization, annihilation of Ukrainian intelligentsia, killing of national leaders Petlyura, Konovalets, Shukhevych, Bandera and the post-war terror.
 
The Ternopil City Council also demanded the country's authorities to initiate holding of an international judicial trial about Communism, to liquidate Communist symbols and monuments, and to ban Communist ideology as man-hateful.


this is from :http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/2352.html

[bhoughton]

The fact that this topic exists is pretty sad. I understand why youre upset, but dotn you think youre overreacting? Just a bit?

Sorry for making the topic alicia, wasn't my intention to cause conflict between the staff members.

[raul7legend]

I think the fact that there is an argument about this is pretty sad. I don't think that what has been done is correct, but having an argument about it publicly and taking it too seriously is a wrong thing to do. Contact optic, the admins, or dejected and that will be settled.

Even I, as a Jew who had his grandfather in the holocaust, am offended by a swastika, but I still take some holocaust jokes as jokes if they don't offend personally.

[Hasan (Tabooti)]

As I said, those jokes belong in 4chan. Not here. And I'm pretty sure you'd agree to that.
I will PM opti, Although I'm not too sure how much he'd agree, if no one sides with me.

[atdfbttl15]

Tabooti, I think there are far more issues server wise than bothering the admins with this nonsense

Man you can delete this template with only one click!

[SalasCraft]

Tabooti, I think there are far more issues server wise than bothering the admins with this nonsense

Man you can delete this template with only one click!

Do you see my current rank?


Also, tabooti then just let it be, if this belongs to 4chan, argue about it there. I'm not trying to be rude about it in any way by the way.