First of all, no offence meant in any way to anyone! We all have our opinions.
I will be removing the ability to sell iron and gold ingots to the market next sunday.
This decision wasn't made lightly and an overwhelming majority of our staff agrees with it.
This should be a player decision, not a staff one. It's the players that keep this server alive, without them this server would be dead. Without staff there would still be a lot of players. (Not that I would prefer a server without staff.)
The majority must decide.
I think you've missed the point of Minecraft here....
I'm very sorry to say it but I think YOU missed the point of minecraft. Minecraft isn't about trade, it's about gathering materials and building stuff with it. That includes farms. If a market has been added to the world and a supposed "economy" exists then why can't ppl sell their profits from farms to it? If anything is wrong with this survival server then it's the availability of a market/economy. That wasn't part of Minecraft in the first place.
Then what are you doing on a survival server?
What the hell is a market and a monetary system doing on a survival server?
You say that like there's absolutely no other way to earn money. Taking away the ability to sell iron and gold hasn't physically had any impact on any farm, you can still use them for other things, you'll simply need to find other means of earning money.
There wouldn't be a way available to make money at a rate that lets ppl compete at /baltop. If you remove iron and gold and you want to keep it fair you should wipe /baltop too and let everyone start over. Because there is no way ppl can get up to 5.5mill without ironfarms or goldfarms.
/baltop, which is an important minigame for many players, would become a waste of time and completely obsolete.
...you can still sell it to other players...
Not the amounts that farms can provide. Players simply don't have the money to buy it.
Who plays Opticraft just to get rich?
And people there are other ways to get money...get over it
Many players do!
Just to be clear on this, I built many farms and I could be rich...but I never sold anything on the market at all. (Or bought anything either for that matter.)
And no, there are no other ways to get money at a rate that lets players compete at /baltop.
I don't really disagree with this plan but at this stage in the entire Opticraft lifespan, its definitely going to throw a lot of people off. Those who became super rich got lucky enough to be in a time when iron farms were a source of money. While it may be harder after this "update" to make that same amount of money in such a quick amount of time, it doesn't mean making money will be impossible. People still buy enchanted items, you can still sell your items for your own price in your own shop, etc. It's a long overdue update but just like every update that removes automatic farms, people won't be happy.
This can be solved by wiping /baltop.
Offtopic: Let me get this straight though. Whoever is calling us a survival server is wrong. Even if we advertise ourselves as one, we are the loosest definition of a survival server. A true survival server wouldn't have an economy or a market in the first place. People would be mining all day, hiding from mobs, wearing diamond armor when they go out, making sure to sleep in a bed so they don't lose their home, no way to protect their precious builds from griefers and creepers, etc. In many areas, mobs don't spawn as often as they used to but we've managed to sort of bring back some of the mob spawning. When it comes to going home, we just use a simple command to warp there. Sleeping in a bed has completely lost its function in the survival aspect of this server. Plus we use protection stones. While you can still maintain a survival aspect with just protection stones, they're the cherry on the top of all plugins we offer to players to remove that survival feel and make you happy that none of your hard work was griefed. Survival is about the hard work, skills and effort put into the game to SURVIVE from the creatures of the night and your fellow player's griefing. Go ahead and try to make an argument that we still are a survival server but in your mind, you know that which defines a survival server is not what we're all about.
This! ^
It might cause people to donate to get in game credits then
And you think that is a good thing?
Entire games have disappeared because people could buy their ingame wealth with real money. There is nothing good about that at all. /homes or disguises ok, but credits.... It ruins the game.
It is the worst scenario I can think of!
I'm actually pretty surprised at the number of regular members that agree with this.
Well....thank you for making a decision like this while expecting a completely different reaction from players.
Btw, I'm not so sure the majority of the players likes this "update" at all.
Not only do they stretch the distance between the "haves" and "have-not's"
You mean of course the distance between the "non-lazy" (those who actually build stuff including big farms) and the "lazy" (those who do not).
Because contrary to real life it is actually possible in Minecraft for EVERYONE to be rich. It's a matter of being lazy or not.
...for very little effort...
For making a good farm it is required to invest a LOT of time and effort!
Your remark is just as ridiculous as saying that building a navy base requires very little effort...
Have you ever tried to fill 27 cells with 4 pods each with at least 4 villagers each? That's 4x4x27=432 villagers minimum. Yes that takes time and effort.
Have you ever tried to mine 13 full double chests of obsidian? THAT's the equivalent of time and effort!
...they take up too much valuable space on the server and you've got to admit, they're pretty damn ugly too.
I have to agree that most farms look damn ugly. It's a shame people don't invest a little bit more time to make them look good. And yes they take a lot of space but valuable? I don't think so. Most valuables have been stripped from the land, there aren't many goodies left to mine. Added to that, there are so many abandoned houses or half finished houses taking "valuable" space. THAT's the ugly stuff!
It would be nice if crap like that would be removed. Or, if there is such a lack of space, why not just add extra land to the maps?
you get to know people by exchanging items
You have a great point there and we don't need a monetary system for that! Just trade items for items.
AFKers suck just to be on opticraft to get gold and that's all they'd ever do. But what about the people who actually don't afk and work while their farms are generating resources.
I couldn't agree more. Removing iron/gold from the market doesn't solve afk-ing. And it hurts the people that do not afk but do have big farms.
The non-lazy (those that have huge farms) don't stop building when a farm is done. They build something else while getting money from their farms. Then gold and iron are removed and the lazy people (those that do not have big farms) cheer.
There's no doubt that people such as yourself put a lot of time and money into iron and gold farms.
But the fact of the matter is that no matter how much time or money you put into the farms (or anything that gives you infinite money), it no way justifies you having an infinite resource of money.
If the idea of how hard you work at something (if that's even measurable (hours of work?)) correlates to the amount of money you make, then to justify people having an infinite money source would mean that person would have to put an infinite amount of time and hard work into the farm.
Simply put, you haven't put in infinite work for the infinite money.
Also, you can still sell to others...
During the building of a big farm you don't earn money.
And when the farm is ready the amount of money is not infinite. Even when you spend an infinite (24/7 ? ) amount of time afk-ing (which no one has the time for) a farm produces only a certain amount of items per hour. So "infinite money" does not exist, no matter how big the farm is.
The amount of time and effort that can go into building farms is HUGE! If it takes weeks to build something then you may expect a reasonable amount of time to "collect" afterwards. Added to that, players that build big farms don't stop building. It's not like they will afk from that moment on. People that build stuff like that aren't lazy. So imo as long as they continue to build and play, they can collect from their farms too.
And as I said earlier, trying to sell to others isn't nearly as effective, even with a big price difference. People just won't buy all your stuff.
Again, I don't mean to offend anyone with my opinion.
- I enjoy playing on this server very much!
- I try to help other players, try to teach them how the game works and I still learn stuff myself.
- I don't buy from anyone, I don't sell to anyone, I'm completely selfsupporting (that means mining every block I use myself).
- I think the economy on this server is a joke.
- As long as there is a market, the term "survival" is a joke.
- As the situation is now, if someone would want to get near nr.1 on /baltop, the only proper way to get there is to build farms and sell directly to the market (which I do not do, as mentioned).
- The minigame /baltop, which a lot of people like a lot, will become a joke from the moment iron and gold are removed without wiping /baltop for a new start.
So in short; The best way to deal with the current problem is to remove the market entirely, making this a true survival server. It would solve everything instantly but a lot of people would be very disappointed.
The current solution of removing iron and gold is a terrible solution that doesn't realy solve anything and only causes disappointment among a specific group that deserves to be disappointed the least of all players!
If the afk-ing is a thorn in peoples eyes then we should attack that problem specifically. We must focus on how to solve that instead of using other harsh measures.
Regards,
Lando
