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Quote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 12:55:02 pmQuote from: xDeeKay on February 09, 2015, 12:33:29 pmQuote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 11:26:58 am(PS, is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?) No, it's the Dinnerbone that said he would update Bukkit, but was then legally not allowed to due to someone else screwing the community over. Gah.. please learn what actually happened, you described like 10% of the story here.I know exactly what happened, I read all about it. Point is; Dinnerbone should not make promises he cannot keep.And the other guy you claim screwed the community got screwed himself by Mojang. I completely understand his actions. He's the victim, not the bad guy. He worked his ass off for years for all of us and got screwed by Mojang and also by Dinnerbone.But lets not get off topic.You're so wrong it hurts. This was in no way Mojang's fault at all. The whole Bukkit staff had a hissy fit because they allegedly had no idea they were working for Mojang after 2 years, and that's apparently Mojang's fault for not telling them individually. The Bukkit community wanted a system where they could be in charge of everything, yet they then turned around and complained that Mojang had been sitting behind the scenes doing nothing for 2 years.Wolverness, the one we're speaking about, thought that his code he had written voluntarily for Bukkit over many years was all of a sudden in a breach of his copyright because of Mojang's ownership of Bukkit, which has been there since 2012.I have no sympathy for Wolverness, he's doing what he's doing just because he can, and until he can reveal his motives for this, he will forever be seen as the bad guy.Go ahead and keep seeing him as the victim, but please then don't be one of those people who can't sleep at night because their beloved server hasn't been able to update to the latest patch because of legal issues.
Quote from: xDeeKay on February 09, 2015, 12:33:29 pmQuote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 11:26:58 am(PS, is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?) No, it's the Dinnerbone that said he would update Bukkit, but was then legally not allowed to due to someone else screwing the community over. Gah.. please learn what actually happened, you described like 10% of the story here.I know exactly what happened, I read all about it. Point is; Dinnerbone should not make promises he cannot keep.And the other guy you claim screwed the community got screwed himself by Mojang. I completely understand his actions. He's the victim, not the bad guy. He worked his ass off for years for all of us and got screwed by Mojang and also by Dinnerbone.But lets not get off topic.
Quote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 11:26:58 am(PS, is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?) No, it's the Dinnerbone that said he would update Bukkit, but was then legally not allowed to due to someone else screwing the community over. Gah.. please learn what actually happened, you described like 10% of the story here.
(PS, is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?)
Quote from: xDeeKay on February 09, 2015, 01:12:30 pmQuote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 12:55:02 pmQuote from: xDeeKay on February 09, 2015, 12:33:29 pmQuote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 11:26:58 am(PS, is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?) No, it's the Dinnerbone that said he would update Bukkit, but was then legally not allowed to due to someone else screwing the community over. Gah.. please learn what actually happened, you described like 10% of the story here.I know exactly what happened, I read all about it. Point is; Dinnerbone should not make promises he cannot keep.And the other guy you claim screwed the community got screwed himself by Mojang. I completely understand his actions. He's the victim, not the bad guy. He worked his ass off for years for all of us and got screwed by Mojang and also by Dinnerbone.But lets not get off topic.You're so wrong it hurts. This was in no way Mojang's fault at all. The whole Bukkit staff had a hissy fit because they allegedly had no idea they were working for Mojang after 2 years, and that's apparently Mojang's fault for not telling them individually. The Bukkit community wanted a system where they could be in charge of everything, yet they then turned around and complained that Mojang had been sitting behind the scenes doing nothing for 2 years.Wolverness, the one we're speaking about, thought that his code he had written voluntarily for Bukkit over many years was all of a sudden in a breach of his copyright because of Mojang's ownership of Bukkit, which has been there since 2012.I have no sympathy for Wolverness, he's doing what he's doing just because he can, and until he can reveal his motives for this, he will forever be seen as the bad guy.Go ahead and keep seeing him as the victim, but please then don't be one of those people who can't sleep at night because their beloved server hasn't been able to update to the latest patch because of legal issues.Everyone is trying to get somewhere in this world. His motives are crystal clear. The Bukkit ppl thought they were working on their own future.You forget this is a money issue. Mojang making TONS of money, and having ppl (Wolverness among many others, who all quit too) working for them without paying them, even without them knowing it. Indeed, I don't blame the guy at all for expecting something in return after they found out. It's not like Mojang couldn't afford it. Instead they said "screw you" and then he decided to stop the project. He always thought his code would be worth a lot but Mojang just tried to confiscate it. Dinnerbone then promised he would finish it which he never did. That's why we have Spigot now instead of Bukkit.Ppl need to understand that Mojang would never be the company they are now without the work of the Bukkit ppl.Mojang could have shown the Bukkit guys some god damn financial appreciation!Instead the Bukkit ppl got screwed and Mojang was sold for 2.5 billion dollars.It's a damn shame Wolverness wasn't able to sue them for an enormous amount of money.
Everyone is trying to get somewhere in this world. His motives are crystal clear. The Bukkit ppl thought they were working on their own future.
You forget this is a money issue. Mojang making TONS of money, and having ppl (Wolverness among many others, who all quit too) working for them without paying them, even without them knowing it. Indeed, I don't blame the guy at all for expecting something in return after they found out. It's not like Mojang couldn't afford it. Instead they said "screw you" and then he decided to stop the project. He always thought his code would be worth a lot but Mojang just tried to confiscate it.
Dinnerbone then promised he would finish it which he never did. That's why we have Spigot now instead of Bukkit.
Ppl need to understand that Mojang would never be the company they are now without the work of the Bukkit ppl.Mojang could have shown the Bukkit guys some god damn financial appreciation!Instead the Bukkit ppl got screwed and Mojang was sold for 2.5 billion dollars.It's a damn shame Wolverness wasn't able to sue them for an enormous amount of money.
you realize that even if they weren't working for mojang, they still wouldn't have gotten paid right? the way I see it, he was just a baby that decided after the fact that he should have gotten paid for a project he VOLUNTEERED for Just because mojang made money.
They were all knowingly voluntarily contributing to a project for free. Hell, even the Moderators of the site resigned with the same excuse. Do you think the Moderators were building their career as Moderators? I don't think so, I think it was just a petty excuse to make people feel sorry for them. What they did was a hobby, and asking money for that at anytime is just wrong.
Whether it was a money issue or whether they were just claiming entitlement to money for what they did are 2 different things. Again, this wasn't a money issue because they were all contributing to a project as a hobby. As far as I know, there was nothing in any contract saying they'd ever be paid for doing anything, if there was, there would be a whole new issue here.
As soon as Mojang was thrown into the picture, they all felt that they were somehow entitled to extra resources and rewards. Again you blame Mojang for being the cause of the whole entire staff not knowing about Mojang's ownership over the project, yet I happen to recall EvilSeph being the Bukkit lead at the time, so you don't think maybe he should have been the one to sit them all down and say, "hey guys, Mojang own us now".
You also claim that they somehow "confiscated" his code, again not true at all. Bukkit at that time owned the project after EvilSeph's resignation, that is all. If anything that is EvilSeph's fault for not thinking that one through.
Wrong again. Are you sure you did your research? It went something like this:1. EvilSeph decides for whatever reason (he said DMCA issues, which turned out to be a lie) he wanted to shut down Bukkit.2. Mojang said hell no (and actually saved the project for the time being)3. Dinnerbone said he'd update Bukkit4. Majority, if not all Bukkit staff resign5. Wolverness filed a DMCA takedown request6. Bukkit were required to hold the project7. The Bukkit forums were put under the control of the Curse team8. md_5 and the Spigot team released 1.8 for Spigot and Bukkit
That is what leaded to the creation of 1.8 Spigot and Bukkit, not Dinnerbone. He literally has nothing to do with that.
Quote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 03:37:00 pmPpl need to understand that Mojang would never be the company they are now without the work of the Bukkit ppl.Mojang could have shown the Bukkit guys some god damn financial appreciation!Instead the Bukkit ppl got screwed and Mojang was sold for 2.5 billion dollars.It's a damn shame Wolverness wasn't able to sue them for an enormous amount of money.Pretty much covered all of this nonsense, please refer to the above paragraphs.
How can you not understand this? If bukkit wasnt owned by mojang, they still wouldn't have gotten Paid. That means bukkit was not exploiting them because they wereworking for free before.
You're crazy.
Also, I think that Mojang knew very well they had ppl working for them for free doing very important work, while they were making tons of money themselves. Opinions vary on this but I think it can be seen as exploitation. That's all.
Quote from: Lando_V on February 09, 2015, 07:55:19 pmAlso, I think that Mojang knew very well they had ppl working for them for free doing very important work, while they were making tons of money themselves. Opinions vary on this but I think it can be seen as exploitation. That's all.The fact of the matter is Mojang in no way need to give any money away, of course they are making money - they are a company, why should they have to give it to people working on a project that is voluntary? It's not as important as the vanilla game itself in no way, in fact, over 50% of the players that play are in single player, when you think of the split between different multiplayer services Bukkit accounts way under 50%.The people of Bukkit do it out of their free time, they are not working for Mojang, they will have either their own job or still be in education. I really don't see what you fail to realize, they are not even volunteers for Mojang, they are volunteers for the Bukkit community. Leaving their own community because Mojang has been there all along, and trying to protect what they have done? Alright.I said I'd talk to Nick about the new items.
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