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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Morrison1996 on July 13, 2012, 03:04:55 am
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so you guys don't lose all hope:
we're in the process of throwing around ideas for a pvp system. looks like we'll definitely be getting some PvP or competitive action sometime in the future.
There you have it. It is in the plans so please no more PvP suggestions. If you have PvP ideas that could help post under this.
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Thank you, this was needed.
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I have an idea for PvP, it shouldn't be added.
In my eyes it's helping the suggestion because I don't want a PvP arena or anything.
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Most players are used to pvp or want it. It would be good to have. Tho just for a certain area. Servers that are all pvp suck. It will be interesting to see what the brilliant minds of opticraft come up with.
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From what we talked about (again, these were potential ideas, and in no way were these ideas confirmed) there would be a range of different PvP games like 20v20 games, capture the flag, king of the hill, destroy the enemy base etc.
I'm certain that if the PvP system was to be put in place, there will be several implementations to suit the server. Such as a dedicated chat to each game, an inventory restorer, exp restorer and what not to keep players happy.
We have all heard your cries, we know you want PvP. But please refrain from making topics nagging for PvP.
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That is why I stikckied this deekay. I was tired of all the new topics. Also the quote I used was from cshurz in a different PvP topic. And please refrain from arguments. Just use this thread to express ideas to help the staff understand the type of PvP that people prefer.
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I actually can't wait for the day that PVP arenas get added to the server. I hope I'm the first moderator to get a, "___ cheated and killed me, help!", ticket... I'll take a page from Rorshack's journal;
ViperZeroOne's Journal, The Day PVP is Added;
This server is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The ravines are extended caves and the caves are full of blood and when the ravines finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their Arenas for PVP will foam up about their waists and all the Trusteds and Members will look up and shout "Recover my lost items!"... and I'll whisper "no."
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I actually can't wait for the day that PVP arenas get added to the server. I hope I'm the first moderator to get a, "___ cheated and killed me, help!", ticket... I'll take a page from Rorshack's journal;
ViperZeroOne's Journal, The Day PVP is Added;
This server is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The ravines are extended caves and the caves are full of blood and when the ravines finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their Arenas for PVP will foam up about their waists and all the Trusteds and Members will look up and shout "Recover my lost items!"... and I'll whisper "no."
Lolwut are you smoking?
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Very provocative imagery there, Mr.ViperZeroOne. Upon reading that, I imagined the ravine being a huge Cheshire grin with cave entrances being the eyes.
Oh, symbolism. How clever art thou?
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Lolwut are you smoking?
Haha, I take it nobody watched "The Watchmen"?.... Best line out of the whole movie, though I edited it a bit.
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I don't think any of us would've recognized that quote if nobody said anything... o_O
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I don't think any of us would've recognized that quote if nobody said anything... o_O
Seriously? *LOL* I even said I was taking a page from Rorshack's journal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWVUvqDFh0
For those who don't know where he got the journal text from.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWVUvqDFh0
For those who don't know where he got the journal text from.
Heh, good one. I think Rorshack is my favorite "super hero" of all time, just due to the fact he sees the world for what it truly is.
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I think PvP would add a new and fun thing to this server.
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Yeah PvP makes a server fun and people want to go there, NOT. Opticraft is one of the few servers that does not include PvP and I feel a lot more people would dislike playing on opticraft if all of a sudden the switch was flipped turning this into a PvP server. What is the point of killing each other anyway, in a creative game.
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Yeah PvP makes a server fun and people want to go there, NOT. Opticraft is one of the few servers that does not include PvP and I feel a lot more people would dislike playing on opticraft if all of a sudden the switch was flipped turning this into a PvP server. What is the point of killing each other anyway, in a creative game.
i don't think you quite understand the direction we're going to go. it's not like we're going to flip a switch and the whole world becomes PvP enabled.. that would be stupid.
so far the idea is as follows:
pvp will be happening in a completely separate world. users on the server can enter a command to join a queue for a PvP match which may involve something like CTF, siege the base, or something else team oriented and objective based. once enough people join the queue for PvP, it will teleport all users to the new world and replace their inventory with some pvp stuff.
when the match is over, their inventory is restored and they're teleported back wherever.
the point here, as you question in your post, is to provide a competitive and fun outlet to break the norm of survival. note opticraft SMP is not a creative server as you said in your post. survival loses its fun after a few days of the same old thing - we'd like some unique attractions to keep people on the server, even if they're only staying because we have a good implementation of PvP.
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once again, these are just ideas and no guaranteed can be made. perhaps there's some unknown technical limitation that we'll come across - but probably not. we're practically wizards.
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Yeah PvP makes a server fun and people want to go there, NOT. Opticraft is one of the few servers that does not include PvP and I feel a lot more people would dislike playing on opticraft if all of a sudden the switch was flipped turning this into a PvP server. What is the point of killing each other anyway, in a creative game.
i don't think you quite understand the direction we're going to go. it's not like we're going to flip a switch and the whole world becomes PvP enabled.. that would be stupid.
so far the idea is as follows:
pvp will be happening in a completely separate world. users on the server can enter a command to join a queue for a PvP match which may involve something like CTF, siege the base, or something else team oriented and objective based. once enough people join the queue for PvP, it will teleport all users to the new world and replace their inventory with some pvp stuff.
when the match is over, their inventory is restored and they're teleported back wherever.
the point here, as you question in your post, is to provide a competitive and fun outlet to break the norm of survival. note opticraft SMP is not a creative server as you said in your post. survival loses its fun after a few days of the same old thing - we'd like some unique attractions to keep people on the server, even if they're only staying because we have a good implementation of PvP.
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once again, these are just ideas and no guaranteed can be made. perhaps there's some unknown technical limitation that we'll come across - but probably not. we're practically wizards.
I meant since the amount of mobs is low the time for people to be creative is higher. Have you seen some of the things people have made on here? Not trying to be rude but, I barely ever see things that detailed or anything more than survival based on other survival servers. I feel on opticraft the people I know aren't on to have a survival adventure, there are here to create something cool for others, but make the things out of supplies they gathered by surviving.
But hearing that, I am happier than the entire server being switched over.
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Quote from TheWholeLoaf, since I was lazy to actually do it:"Servers with all PVP suck"
I played one before. Camping the safety line, robbing all my starter materials and not being to do anything is annoying as hell. Try making an arena. I don't really support the PVP ideas, but it satisfies the rest I guess. Also, try and implement a inventory/XP restore plugin for that area.
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Yeah PvP makes a server fun and people want to go there, NOT. Opticraft is one of the few servers that does not include PvP and I feel a lot more people would dislike playing on opticraft if all of a sudden the switch was flipped turning this into a PvP server. What is the point of killing each other anyway, in a creative game.
i don't think you quite understand the direction we're going to go. it's not like we're going to flip a switch and the whole world becomes PvP enabled.. that would be stupid.
so far the idea is as follows:
pvp will be happening in a completely separate world. users on the server can enter a command to join a queue for a PvP match which may involve something like CTF, siege the base, or something else team oriented and objective based. once enough people join the queue for PvP, it will teleport all users to the new world and replace their inventory with some pvp stuff.
when the match is over, their inventory is restored and they're teleported back wherever.
the point here, as you question in your post, is to provide a competitive and fun outlet to break the norm of survival. note opticraft SMP is not a creative server as you said in your post. survival loses its fun after a few days of the same old thing - we'd like some unique attractions to keep people on the server, even if they're only staying because we have a good implementation of PvP.
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once again, these are just ideas and no guaranteed can be made. perhaps there's some unknown technical limitation that we'll come across - but probably not. we're practically wizards.
Ahh, that makes sense... So kinda like how WoW and other MMO's have battlegrounds. The PVP won't affect the actual world, because it takes place in it's own little virtual world.
That would be good enough to satisfy the PVP beggers, but I'd still tell them "Sucks to be you" when they complain about loosing items when they're killed. I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who dies in a PVP area, regardless of how they were killed.
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thats just the thing PvP is great until we get people complaining about losing their stuff. (I support the PvP sections but not a whole map) I know this may sound dumb but we may want to put a forum topic up kind of like a waver that needs to be signed saying that anything that happens in this part of the world happens. You are the one to blaim if you die. Staff will not assist you in getting property back (only in the PvP zones). This is just my feelings, if people go to the PvP zones they do so under their own choice. If something happens it their fault and they have to deal with it.
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Morrison, people will still complain, then this happens "OMG WOW can a admin plz get my stuff back I was at arena!!!" "You are responsible for item loss." "But no one told me that!" "Read the signs next time." "OMG this is unfair! This server is stupid!!! Your mean!!!" Snapethesnipe: Banhammer in three, two, one...
(I imagine this is something Viper deals with...lol) Solution? Inventory/XP restore plugin after you die.
Enough of that. Anyways, what if we had a bunch of plugins and it would be great! Once a while there should be a message. For example:
"Next PvP Team Battle in ___ minutes! Vote for game modes!" To vote for a game mode, they would type /vote (mode)
Some ideas for game modes would be:
CTF- Get the other teams flag to your base while you protect your own.
Siege- Capture the enemy team's base by killing all enemy players in their base.
Slaughterhouse: Team Deathmatch, first to x kills wins.
Elimination- Team Deathmatch, no respawns. Last team standing wins.
Bloodbath- Team Deathmatch. Slaughterhouse rules, but with 4-8 teams.
Archery duel- Bow and Arrow only, no respawns.
Boat duel- Fight while riding a boat! Bow and sword, battle on an ocean, slaughterhouse rules.
Lava duel- No weapons. Push your opponents off a ledga into lava!
Floor duel- Survive as long as you can! But the wooden floor is on fire and leads to lava...
When no Team Battle is going on, it's a random, free roam Free for All in the arena.
Now lets be clear on a few things. No respawns means you cannot join in progress, and after the match starts, there will be a warning: you have 30 seconds until the join time cuts off. Players may not take items in team battles;there is a standard load out containing an iron sword and a potion of choice, with limited option, and another suggestion is maybe they would pay a small amount to respawn with it for the rest of the battle. These potions could be positive or negative. Also, the load out will contain 5 melons and one bread. All in all, load out is,
Iron sword, potion slot, food slots. Possible food loadouts:
5 melons+bread
3 bread
2 steaks (or cooked chicken)
3 cooked fish+3 melons
Possible potions: (Players must pay fee for upgrades, such as splash, increased duration/potency or additional potion)
Instant Health (Upgrades: Splash)
Strength (Upgrades: Increased Duration, Splash)
Speed (Upgrades: Increased Potency, Splash, Additional potion)
Regeneration (Upgrades: Splash)
Negative potions, splash is forced.
Slowness (Upgrades: Increased duration, Additional potion)
Weakness (Upgrades: Increased Potency)
Poison (Upgrades: Additional Potion)
Instant Harm (Upgrades: Increased Potency)
Also, only one upgrade may be chosen. However, if they pick additional potion, the first potion may have an upgrade. Also, I may copy and paste this into a new suggestions thread.
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Alright my post was too long. I made a new topic here:
http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,11987.0.html (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,11987.0.html)
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thats just the thing PvP is great until we get people complaining about losing their stuff. (I support the PvP sections but not a whole map) I know this may sound dumb but we may want to put a forum topic up kind of like a waver that needs to be signed saying that anything that happens in this part of the world happens. You are the one to blaim if you die. Staff will not assist you in getting property back (only in the PvP zones). This is just my feelings, if people go to the PvP zones they do so under their own choice. If something happens it their fault and they have to deal with it.
Did you not just read anything cschurz said?
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Yes but also as stated those suggestions are unknows whether if they they will work. I am just making a suggestion based on no coding experience. If they can right a code to save a inventory then go for it. I am just stating a idea in case the codes don't work as wanted.
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Yes but also as stated those suggestions are unknows whether if they they will work. I am just making a suggestion based on no coding experience. If they can right a code to save a inventory then go for it. I am just stating a idea in case the codes don't work as wanted.
As I said earlier, and cschurz also stated; if all goes to plan and this whole PvP scene gets implemented, there will be an inventory restorer after every game. So we will not have to deal with players loosing things, as their items will be saved upon entering a queue for a PvP match.
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Yes but also as stated those suggestions are unknows whether if they they will work. I am just making a suggestion based on no coding experience. If they can right a code to save a inventory then go for it. I am just stating a idea in case the codes don't work as wanted.
As I said earlier, and cschurz also stated; if all goes to plan and this whole PvP scene gets implemented, there will be an inventory restorer after every game. So we will not have to deal with players loosing things, as their items will be saved upon entering a queue for a PvP match.
...and I'm wondering how long it'll take for players to find a way to use this to dupe their items.
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Can we please leave this stickied. I sticked it to prvent further cluter with more PvP suggestions.
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I unstickied it because it is not that important. It isnt a must read.
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Ok sorry.
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Noonoonononnononoonono.
PVP should NOT be added onto this server. maybe create a seperate server with "pvp.opticraft.net"
The servers address states "SMP" which is survival-multiplayer.
If they do add pvp, please make it an arena or something. I DONT LIKE PVP.
Thanks :D
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Noonoonononnononoonono.
PVP should NOT be added onto this server. maybe create a seperate server with "pvp.opticraft.net"
The servers address states "SMP" which is survival-multiplayer.
If they do add pvp, please make it an arena or something. I DONT LIKE PVP.
Thanks :D
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Noonoonononnononoonono.
PVP should NOT be added onto this server. maybe create a seperate server with "pvp.opticraft.net"
The servers address states "SMP" which is survival-multiplayer.
If they do add pvp, please make it an arena or something. I DONT LIKE PVP.
Thanks :D
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Are you serious?! have you honestly not read anything in this thread? Use your bloody grey matter.
You can choose to play PvP on the server. Your not forced to dig a 1x2 hole and hide in it all the time, because your not forced to play PvP. The current worlds won't be affected by PvP in any way. There will be separate worlds for the PvP games.
Really, if you don't like the change, then that's fine. Just don't play PvP on the server, stick to survival if you like.
PvP is gonna be here for people that want some fun and change on the server. Alright?
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Can you not just make a new world like the member world but then "PvP World " then you can PvP like a real PvP server ?
Then you can bring armor + sword + other stuff to PvP in the new world
But i dont know if the memberworld was hard to make :S
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We have looked into this and found what brings in the most crowds is short PvP maps rather then the normal bukkit server of PvP survival.
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Can you not just make a new world like the member world but then "PvP World " then you can PvP like a real PvP server ?
Then you can bring armor + sword + other stuff to PvP in the new world
But i dont know if the memberworld was hard to make :S
This is the easy annoying way out. the "Real pvp" servers you talk about suck. You cant walk out of spawn without an overpowered and hacked player killing you, ours will be more match based, almost like a hunger games server but with different modes. Hunger games servers are fun to play on because its kept short and to the point. Also imagine how many complaints noobies would have when they lose their diamond armor to someone.... god no lol
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8) I have a PVP Idea like a hunger games thing or A Pvp touderment
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We are working on PvP at the moment, we aren't doing hunger games, but they will be match based.
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The arena will most likely have its own world. It'll be a fairly small map, so it won't take up as much resources.
Also, the PvP arena will, most likely, have a custom plugin. All the plug-n-play crap really isn't that necessary-- the normal plugins are either heavily coded or they have hidden backdoors in the code (neither of which do we like).
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The arena will most likely have its own world. It'll be a fairly small map, so it won't take up as much resources.
Actually what Cschurz was saying is that the worlds wont even exist until the players are queued for the match, after which the world deletes itself. The matches will be fairly short and there will be different game modes, CTF, deathmatch and such
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Actually what Cschurz was saying is that the worlds wont even exist until the players are queued for the match, after which the world deletes itself. The matches will be fairly short and there will be different game modes, CTF, deathmatch and such
Hmm... That'll be interesting how all that plays out
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I have an idea for pvp. Every week 24 players are picked from the server and have to fight to the death in a arena and if they survive they could win something. Yes I have sorta knicked this off hunger games :). You could also go view them fighting in some secret stands that they can not see in the arena and you could sponsor them such as give them items.
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I have an idea for pvp. Every week 24 players are picked from the server and have to fight to the death in a arena and if they survive they could win something. Yes I have sorta knicked this off hunger games :). You could also go view them fighting in some secret stands that they can not see in the arena and you could sponsor them such as give them items.
Well, thats basically what the hunger games really is.
Also, for PvP, This is just a suggestion, but in most pvp matches, there are classes which they use to rank up in the arena. Then, once they get better and better, they can join an arena with higher ranks, so it's not unfair for anyone. And the same thing for other fighting classes.
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Will you be able to use your own items, or will default items be given to you? Also will you drop items when you die? Lastly will there be a leaderboard of such where you can see rankings? Please answer my questions im trying to get ready for PvP. :D
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Will you be able to use your own items, or will default items be given to you? Also will you drop items when you die? Lastly will there be a leaderboard of such where you can see rankings? Please answer my questions im trying to get ready for PvP. :D
I don't like being able to bring your items, because then killandsurf will win everygame with protection IX full diamond armor! :P
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I think the default given items would be great. If you brought your own, then you would lose valuable stuff and people would complain alot.
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I think the default given items would be great. If you brought your own, then you would lose valuable stuff and people would complain alot.
it would be runescape all over again why did i have to go to that pvp arena T_T i almost died getting htere and then i got like 2 hit when i was there
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Yeah no you dont use your own items or inventory. As for more specifics.... meh, lol we are working on it
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I have been enchanting perfect sets of PvP armor/swords for like 2 weeks. :'( I now have like 4 sets.
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I have been enchanting perfect sets of PvP armor/swords for like 2 weeks. :'( I now have like 4 sets.
a waste of time :[
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I have been enchanting perfect sets of PvP armor/swords for like 2 weeks. :'( I now have like 4 sets.
a waste of time :[
We're not getting it? :(
Or do we get our own sets?
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Your inventory will be wiped when you enter the pvp area, but as soon as you leave, it comes back.
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Your inventory will be wiped when you enter the pvp area, but as soon as you leave, it comes back.
Wait, Are we Getting a PVP Arena? I am confused? ???
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I assume you haven't been keeping yourself up-to-date with this post... :P
Yes, we are getting an Arena. It's release date is still undetermined.
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it's not an arena.
PvP will run alongside the survival experience. users in the survival world may join a queue for a short, competitive PvP match. once the queue for a PvP match is full, users will be stripped of their items, given new ones, and teleported to an instanced and one-time-use PvP world. when the game ends, user inventory will be restored and they will be sent back to the survival world.
the system will likely launch with Spleef and Capture the Flag as game modes to start, with Deathmatch/Team deathmatch/whatever else released later.
there will also be a party system allowing users to queue for a specific game mode as a party, so don't try to suggest it :)
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it's not an arena.
PvP will run alongside the survival experience. users in the survival world may join a queue for a short, competitive PvP match. once the queue for a PvP match is full, users will be stripped of their items, given new ones, and teleported to an instanced and one-time-use PvP world. when the game ends, user inventory will be restored and they will be sent back to the survival world.
the system will likely launch with Spleef and Capture the Flag as game modes to start, with Deathmatch/Team deathmatch/whatever else released later.
there will also be a party system allowing users to queue for a specific game mode as a party, so don't try to suggest it :)
Well. That explains everything much clear, will it be while till it comes out? It would be with the wait as well.
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Yes it will be a while. We are still working on creating the worlds for this system and making fine adjustments to make sure every thing runs smooth.
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A colosium. Would be awesome.
Modified by Morrison1996: don't use all caps
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This is not that big of a deal. we were already told that we were getting an arena. stop talking about it, can someone please lock this topic?
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This is not that big of a deal. we were already told that we were getting an arena. stop talking about it, can someone please lock this topic?
no ninja, what makes you think this needs locked? Also you CLEARLY haven't even bothered to read this, since we all know that we are not getting an arena. And yes this is a big deal, PvP is the next big thing for Opticraft lol
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2crzy4uall, please refer to xeadins post on page 3.
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2crzy4uall, please refer to xeadins post on page 3.
Ninja please look a few post later lol
it's not an arena.
PvP will run alongside the survival experience. users in the survival world may join a queue for a short, competitive PvP match. once the queue for a PvP match is full, users will be stripped of their items, given new ones, and teleported to an instanced and one-time-use PvP world. when the game ends, user inventory will be restored and they will be sent back to the survival world.
the system will likely launch with Spleef and Capture the Flag as game modes to start, with Deathmatch/Team deathmatch/whatever else released later.
there will also be a party system allowing users to queue for a specific game mode as a party, so don't try to suggest it :)
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Other post, keep trying
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Wow, let me explain this lol. Xeadin thought it was an arena, Cshurz corrected that though (you see, hes the one who is developing it for us) and posted that, which you didnt read apparently
it's not an arena.
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What i meant was it could be any type of area, i was just saying arena.
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Does anyone know how this is coming? Are we getting any closer?
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We arent currently. The person in charge of the PvP thing is rather busy, so things are on hold atm.
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We arent currently. The person in charge of the PvP thing is rather busy, so things are on hold atm.
Alright thanks
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who is the 'person' in charge of the pvp 'thing'?
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Cschurz is.
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I suggest the PvP to come out on New Years as like a Big Bang to 2013.
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Mega necropost. It's being worked on, Dale.
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Don't lock this until it comes out. This thread needs to remain open for any suggestions. Who know someone might come up with some great concept we can add in. BUT like josh said necro post. Only necro post on this thread if it is a concept suggestion and not a "I want PvP to come out suggestion".
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Highly doubt that will happen, but okay, your topic. :p
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what if we had a huge snowball fight where your inventory always remained fulla snowballs and you got like $20 if you killed some1?
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Sometimes, I wish some people were more knowledgeable in this kinda type of stuff.
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^I agree
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Ok so yeah that suggestion was kind of a bad one no offense but that is kind of the wrong concept. If anyone has a good concept like a different form of free for all or capture the flag/base pm me and I quote it in.
Locked.
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seeing as the last post about pvp was immediately locked on the assumption that pvp is in the works I thought I'd make a new one...
So, people seem to want a way to pvp.
On the other hand optical has a life and is understandably busy and can't rush to our aid.
so what are the poor people of opticraft to do?
Might I suggest we create a place to accommodate this need?
This doesn't need to be an epic ordeal either, we're talking bare minimum here, namely a place to fight and the ability to do so.
I'm thinking we should create some kinda arena where people can go with their friends and duke it out or just fight whoever they come across. (And I'm more than happy to build one) it would have obvious entrances with signs warning that the area is pvp, and prolly a message that pops up in chat wen u enter/leave the region.
It wouldn't require opti/dej to code anything as we'd just need to set up a region inside the arena and turn on the pvp flag then people could fight to their hearts content.
If we're feeling creative could even get a plugin such as
http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/worldguard-keep-inventory-flags/ (http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/worldguard-keep-inventory-flags/)
Which is an open source extension for world guard that gives you region flags to make items or xp persist on death, so no one would have to worry about losing stuff if they stumble in and die
Thoughts?
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Reviving this topic to stop further topics of pvp.
Current status of PvP: On hold
Please leave any suggestions on what you would like for pvp incase we ever reactivate the project.
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i think we should build a pvp arena you could pay to get in like 10 a ticket and i would be more then happy to help build a pvp arena
deathiswating
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Nick already tried world guarding an area for pvp; it didn't work. (probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
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Nick already tried world guarding an area for pvp; it didn't work. (probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
Well if nick would be so kind as to give us info on why it didn't work, maybe we can find a solution.
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From what I remember, we already have the arena built we just need the correct plugins.
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Nick already tried world guarding an area for pvp; it didn't work. (probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
Well if nick would be so kind as to give us info on why it didn't work, maybe we can find a solution.
Well tiggy, i tried it and it didnt work. That's all i know lol, it doesn't give you a reason it just doesnt work.
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Nick already tried world guarding an area for pvp; it didn't work. (probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
Well if nick would be so kind as to give us info on why it didn't work, maybe we can find a solution.
Well tiggy, i tried it and it didnt work. That's all i know lol, it doesn't give you a reason it just doesnt work.
well you guys weren't exactly clear...... so you just can't pvp wen u turn on the pvp flag or is it an issue with something else?.... cuz if it's the pvp flag more than likely it's a conflict with global params.. or you tried to set the pvp flag to true/false wen you gotta set it to allow =P
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did some googling.... if pvp is set to false in the server properties than the flags wont work.if you can't get to it, should have opti check if it's true/false n set it to true if not. then you use worldguard to set a global flag
/region flag __global__ pvp deny
then do this on the arena
/region flag <name> pvp allow
i believe that would solve the issue, otherwise it'd b a conflict with another plugin
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That's pretty much what I said, summed up into 1 sentence.
(probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
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That's pretty much what I said, summed up into 1 sentence.
(probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
Actually there's not that many that handle pvp... At least here anyway...
On this server the ones that come to mind are
Vanilla minecraft (game itself)
World guard
Precious stones ("should" only effect ps fields)
I'd have to check the list again cuz it's been a while but those would seem to be the main culprits
N while ur 1 liner may be a good summary it doesn't really help to solve the problem...
It would seem the most likely problem would be a conflict with the server properties since, I'd assume, opti would've set pvp to false since we've never had pvp on the server... And if that's set to false it would override all the plugins, so the first step to solving the problem would b wat I said in my last post
course nick might've tried that already in which case ill keep looking into other solutions, however if he didn't, then that's wat we should try first....
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Well, to prevent PVP in all areas except for certain areas would actually require that the entire world be set with a region that blocked PVP. This is a problem because that region would override any inner regions (such as PS regions) which would allow PVP.
Two solutions:
Make a single world that is PVP enabled, but don't make it nearly as large as the normal guest and member worlds. Just make sure there is a safe zone, and that users get text saying they are entering a pvp world when they warp to the world.
or
Recode the plugins to change the order of which regions are checked on each pvp-type event raised by the server. Pretty much the pvp-event (idk what the object type for a player fighting event is) would need to start off having it's cancelled setting to true. Then a specific order for how each is checked would need to be put in place. It would be tricky. I'd recommend option 1.
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That's pretty much what I said, summed up into 1 sentence.
(probably because so many plugins handle pvp)
Actually there's not that many that handle pvp... At least here anyway...
On this server the ones that come to mind are
Vanilla minecraft (game itself)
World guard
Precious stones ("should" only effect ps fields)
I'd have to check the list again cuz it's been a while but those would seem to be the main culprits
N while ur 1 liner may be a good summary it doesn't really help to solve the problem...
It would seem the most likely problem would be a conflict with the server properties since, I'd assume, opti would've set pvp to false since we've never had pvp on the server... And if that's set to false it would override all the plugins, so the first step to solving the problem would b wat I said in my last post
course nick might've tried that already in which case ill keep looking into other solutions, however if he didn't, then that's wat we should try first....
server.properties, Essentials, World Guard, Precious stones. More than enough plugins to conflict for the World Guard pvp region not to work. And you're right, optical would have to go into the 3 other files (excluding World Guard) and enable pvp, then the flag would work.
If you can get optical to do that, knock yourself out.
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One of my cousins servers use to have a /pvp command that would let you toggle wether pvp was on or off for a player. Obviously both players would have to have pvp enabled for one to kill another. If one had pvp enabled and was say afk and another player walked up to him with pvp disabled, no damage would be dealt upon attacking unless the attacker had pvp enabled.
If there were to be set zones for pvp (arenas) the /pvp command would be inaccessable (that a word?) for players and pvp would be immediately toggled on for players who went to the warp/arena. Players who would try to "combat log" to their home while in the arena would have to wait 5 seconds before the /home or /warp was "ready".
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Chief you're over complicating things, you can assign regions a priority with world guard ie: higher priority overrides lower priority
And while there is a few plugins that could interfear with this... They typically aren't defaulted to do so, so unless they've been previously set up in a manor that they have control over some aspect of pvp I highly doubt it's a complicated issue of plugins interfereing with each other
More likely than not is an issue with the server pvp property being set to false or a conflict of inherited flags within world guard itself
So like I've already said, the first thing to try would be:
1)Set server properties pvp to true (need opti to check this one)
2)set world guard global flag to false (/region flag__global__pvp deny)
3)set region flag to allow pvp (/region flag <name> pvp allow)
4)just for good measure set the new regions priority higher than global (default is 0) so (/region setpriority <name> -w <worldname> 1)
When we can confirm that pvp is indeed enabled and the region is set up properly and if its still not working properly then we should worry about conflicting plugins and alternative solutions...
I'll pm opti about checking the properties n ask him for his 2 cents on the issue, though tbh would prolly get a better reply if one of u staffers asked him as opposed to the random trusted....
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I really don't want pvp like this on the server tbh.
BTW tiggy, using those global flags we would also need to zone entire worlds in order to even use worldguard flags. For example if i entered the command "/region flag__global__pvp deny" right now I would get a param error because "flag__global__pvp" is not a region.
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I really don't want pvp like this on the server tbh.
BTW tiggy, using those global flags we would also need to zone entire worlds in order to even use worldguard flags. For example if i entered the command "/region flag__global__pvp deny" right now I would get a param error because "flag__global__pvp" is not a region.
Flags have default values. For example, what if you're in an area where there's no region or no defined region has that flag set? WorldGuard checks the "global region" in that case, and if it's not there, it then checks its built-in value (for example, PvP is enabled by default).
http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldGuard/Regions/Introduction#Global_region (http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldGuard/Regions/Introduction#Global_region)
did you type it with double underscores or single? cuz it matters....
and my typing apparently was fail cuz it's /region flag __global__ pvp deny (there's spaces on the ends of __global__ now)
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I really don't want pvp like this on the server tbh.
BTW tiggy, using those global flags we would also need to zone entire worlds in order to even use worldguard flags. For example if i entered the command "/region flag__global__pvp deny" right now I would get a param error because "flag__global__pvp" is not a region.
Flags have default values. For example, what if you're in an area where there's no region or no defined region has that flag set? WorldGuard checks the "global region" in that case, and if it's not there, it then checks its built-in value (for example, PvP is enabled by default).
Ya you had no space between the __ and pvp lol.
http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldGuard/Regions/Introduction#Global_region (http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldGuard/Regions/Introduction#Global_region)
did you type it with double underscores or single? cuz it matters....
and my typing apparently was fail cuz it's /region flag __global__ pvp deny (there's spaces on the ends of __global__ now)
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*update*
Opti turned on pvp in the properties and disabled worldguards global pvp flag for us so we should be able to test allowing pvp in a specific region now.
so nick if you feel like testing it out wen you got some time that'd b awesome :D
And if it doesn't work with allowing it in a region and giving that region a higher priority then chances are its another plugin conflicting.
Ps: even if this works it's still up to the staff whether or not to implement it (but it would b nice)
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I think I saw a death message in chat a day or two ago that said DJ was slain by Nick. Maybe it works?
If this gets fully implemented, I could see myself setting up a "fight to the death" pvp arena XD OMG I gotta get my other shit finished first lol! I like this!
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I think I saw a death message in chat a day or two ago that said DJ was slain by Nick. Maybe it works?
If this gets fully implemented, I could see myself setting up a "fight to the death" pvp arena XD OMG I gotta get my other shit finished first lol! I like this!
I had to spend this morning fixing the worlds because tiggy asked opti to enable pvp and it set all the global pvp flags on the server to allow. Keep in mind, even though this happened, I still have no plans to make any sort of pvp world or arena.
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But if we were able to create a PS region using one of our own ores, and set the PVP flag to true for our own region (the flag would hopefully be set to false by default), then I could make my own PVP arena and host epic PVP battles for prizes.
That's why I am kind of into the idea of PVP enabled regions being possible, such as a PVP flag being used with Precious Stones.
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But if we were able to create a PS region using one of our own ores, and set the PVP flag to true for our own region (the flag would hopefully be set to false by default), then I could make my own PVP arena and host epic PVP battles for prizes.
That's why I am kind of into the idea of PVP enabled regions being possible, such as a PVP flag being used with Precious Stones.
Wont happen, too much potential for killing other players.
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Personally, I think it is a terrible idea to add pvp to Opticraft. Granted, I'm biased since I hate pvp servers because I always get killed -_- ,but it genuinely seems like a bad idea to me. I'm thinking mainly about the moderator's jobs. We'll be bogged down with tickets and complaints about people cheating and the likes. Even if there are rules and signs posted specifically saying that we will not recover lost items or punish those who kill you in pvp areas, there will still be people insisting that we 'do our jobs' and bring their stuff back. It just seems like a bad idea...and most of our current users--myself included--wanted to come on Opticraft because there was no pvp. In the parameters I set when I was looking for a server, I specifically put 'no pvp.' Pretty sure others would agree....
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But if we were able to create a PS region using one of our own ores, and set the PVP flag to true for our own region (the flag would hopefully be set to false by default), then I could make my own PVP arena and host epic PVP battles for prizes.
That's why I am kind of into the idea of PVP enabled regions being possible, such as a PVP flag being used with Precious Stones.
Wont happen, too much potential for killing other players.
What if the ps's pvp flag could only be toggled on/off by staff after seeing the PS covers a player-made arena?
I'm not too keen on the server having pvp enabled either. doesnt seem too opticraft-like
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I want PvP, but not a world guarded half-assed job it.
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I would also like a pvp area :P I really think that if the majority of the server wants something, then it should be considered. And the decision made by more than one person.
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I want PvP, but not a world guarded half-assed job it.
I agree, I'd much prefer a well coded pvp system with no lost items and neat little arena worlds that spawn on demand and maybe some kinda ranking system or whatever.... But opti and dej are understandably busy and it'll be a while if at all before that happens, so a little pvp in the meantime would b cool
@people wanting their own pvp regions.... Don't hold your breath that's just death traps waiting to happen and will never be allowed.
The whole point of testing this was half to see if it was a small issue blocking pvp or 20 conflicting plugins, turns out it was a small issue.
The other half is maybe talking nick into adding one region where pvp is possible or possibly having a pvp event at some point/time (war of opticraft perhaps?)
So the final decision of what to do with the potential here is on the admins, I just wanted to solve the problem of why it wasn't working :P
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If a pvp flag where to be added to protection stones there would prob need to be one requirement. Have the player freeze up when entering the area and force them to answer a question that pops into their chat: Entering PvP area! do you want to proced? /y or /n. /y being yes I would like to procede which turns on PVP, and /n being no and they are allowed to pass through the area without having PvP on. But this sounds like another plugin would be needed.
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If a pvp flag where to be added to protection stones there would prob need to be one requirement. Have the player freeze up when entering the area and force them to answer a question that pops into their chat: Entering PvP area! do you want to proced? /y or /n. /y being yes I would like to procede which turns on PVP, and /n being no and they are allowed to pass through the area without having PvP on. But this sounds like another plugin would be needed.
wat if i stack a bunch of ps in a line then anyone that walks into that is gonna be spam frozen with msgs as they try to move
also ps just aren't really a large enough area to pvp short of little duels...
not to mention we don't make the ps plugin so unless it already exists this just wouldn't happen, unless the ps makers decide to implement it.
opti/dej already have their own idea of wat pvp will be, the trick here is finding a way to make use of pvp in the meantime without needing some kinda epic overhaul to the server code.
personally i kinda like the idea of having a sorta bracketed tournament or something as an event, do 1v1 or teams n have a little gladiator style arena to fight in and have some sorta prize for the winners. this could happen once a month or something just for fun, of course pending if it's popular
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If a pvp flag where to be added to protection stones there would prob need to be one requirement. Have the player freeze up when entering the area and force them to answer a question that pops into their chat: Entering PvP area! do you want to proced? /y or /n. /y being yes I would like to procede which turns on PVP, and /n being no and they are allowed to pass through the area without having PvP on. But this sounds like another plugin would be needed.
wat if i stack a bunch of ps in a line then anyone that walks into that is gonna be spam frozen with msgs as they try to move
also ps just aren't really a large enough area to pvp short of little duels...
There's also the fact that people wouldn't necessarily want their protected bases suddenly becoming PvP zones.
Dunno if it's been mentioned before, but what about having PvP zones work like city protection? This way, someone has to build an arena and apply for a PvP zone. The PvP zone could also protect the zone from griefing as well.
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Ok , I am sick of people asking and raging about PvP on the server seriously I know you want it but admins op and mods have been over it a ton of times It won't be added the only thing I suggest to be added is a boss arena.
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If a pvp flag where to be added to protection stones there would prob need to be one requirement. Have the player freeze up when entering the area and force them to answer a question that pops into their chat: Entering PvP area! do you want to proced? /y or /n. /y being yes I would like to procede which turns on PVP, and /n being no and they are allowed to pass through the area without having PvP on. But this sounds like another plugin would be needed.
wat if i stack a bunch of ps in a line then anyone that walks into that is gonna be spam frozen with msgs as they try to move
also ps just aren't really a large enough area to pvp short of little duels...
There's also the fact that people wouldn't necessarily want their protected bases suddenly becoming PvP zones.
Dunno if it's been mentioned before, but what about having PvP zones work like city protection? This way, someone has to build an arena and apply for a PvP zone. The PvP zone could also protect the zone from griefing as well.
Frobalt, Nick has told me before that if there were going to be any pvp arenas, they would all be under the control of the staff.
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Cant wait!
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Cant wait!
For?
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Cant wait!
For?
PvP?
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Cant wait!
For?
PvP?
what made you think its coming any sooner lol