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Title: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: square_skull on November 07, 2012, 05:28:44 am
hey, i heard some comments from other topics about "how can i become trusted?" and "how trusted needs more priveleges" and i was thinking, if there was a new ranking system made, we could make a more favourable system! :) :o

im not saying we should make it easier to get up in the ranks or be able to get crazy amounts of priveleges, but maybe instead of this we could break down the current ranks and priveleges into smaller bits e.g. "level 1 trusted can use ice" or something like that.

anyway, no one has to has to make action on this, but if you could still ackknoledge this as an option.

thanks!
Square_skull
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Duinis on November 07, 2012, 06:06:45 am
I dunno... Possibly. This has already been discussed, though- with the Senior Trusted thing. It's up to the admins- although a purple name would be nice... O.O
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: joshskiizz on November 07, 2012, 06:12:19 am
Trusted doesn't exist. Lol. Trusted is just a Member who is Trusted by Senior Staff. There is no need for a new rank. =)
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Xeadin on November 07, 2012, 06:18:19 am
Breaking up ranks into smaller bits has been discussed before, and the fact of the matter is that it gets messy when we have multiple ranks.

More privileges means more reasons to brag about the rank-- we want to avoid that.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 07, 2012, 03:34:37 pm
I think maybe you should look at this topic (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,6935.0.html) before making any rank suggestions.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: CazualxGrenade on November 08, 2012, 03:15:14 am
Breaking up ranks into smaller bits has been discussed before, and the fact of the matter is that it gets messy when we have multiple ranks.

More privileges means more reasons to brag about the rank-- we want to avoid that.
Also, people can often get confused if the trusted rank was split, if their rank said "Trusted" but they were a different type of trusted. So this is most likely not gonna be implemented.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Chief149 on November 12, 2012, 02:37:22 am
Status idea: Veteran

How to get:
1) You must be trusted. No exceptions.
2) You must be a member on the server for at least 1 year. No exceptions.

Difference between veteran and trusted:
1) Veterans are no different from trusted except they can pickup and place lava with buckets. This used to be given to trusted members, but obviously due to problems with grief it was taken away. Veterans must have a year or more on the server to be given the rank. It is highly unlikely someone will become trusted by the admins, and get a whole year on the server just so they can grief. This is the only reason for recommending that Veterans receive this even though we want to avoid making players "better" than others.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Hasan (Tabooti) on November 12, 2012, 02:50:39 am
Status idea: Veteran

How to get:
1) You must be trusted. No exceptions.
2) You must be a member on the server for at least 1 year. No exceptions.

Difference between veteran and trusted:
1) Veterans are no different from trusted except they can pickup and place lava with buckets. This used to be given to trusted members, but obviously due to problems with grief it was taken away. Veterans must have a year or more on the server to be given the rank. It is highly unlikely someone will become trusted by the admins, and get a whole year on the server just so they can grief. This is the only reason for recommending that Veterans receive this even though we want to avoid making players "better" than others.

Why? The community already know who the veteran players are. Plus you can just ask a mod/op to deal with the lava for you... (Instead of waiting a YEAR)
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: NathanialJones on November 12, 2012, 03:59:45 am
Well you can just ask for water instead of waiting to become trusted. It's not like people will be waiting for it, just something more convenient for people who might be trusted with lava, and don't want to be a mod.
I like this idea.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on November 12, 2012, 05:05:20 am
Status idea: Veteran

How to get:
1) You must be trusted. No exceptions.
2) You must be a member on the server for at least 1 year. No exceptions.

Difference between veteran and trusted:
1) Veterans are no different from trusted except they can pickup and place lava with buckets. This used to be given to trusted members, but obviously due to problems with grief it was taken away. Veterans must have a year or more on the server to be given the rank. It is highly unlikely someone will become trusted by the admins, and get a whole year on the server just so they can grief. This is the only reason for recommending that Veterans receive this even though we want to avoid making players "better" than others.


Of all the suggestions for new ranks, this one seems the most realistic.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: iGenerator on November 12, 2012, 05:34:38 am
Well if it is implemented I can see a new rank coming my way in a month or so
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: DJAlphaWolf on November 12, 2012, 05:59:28 am
Has smp been around for as long as a year?

I'm almost a Classic veteran (classic opticraft my first minecraft server generally, joined December 2011).
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on November 12, 2012, 06:09:17 am
The 1.8 server has been up since September of last year, and the beta server ran before that so yeah
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: TheRealFamous on November 12, 2012, 06:26:27 am
Has smp been around for as long as a year?
As 2Crzy stated, The SMP server has been up for over a year now.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: bantam2 on November 12, 2012, 06:31:57 am
Status idea: Veteran

How to get:
1) You must be trusted. No exceptions.
2) You must be a member on the server for at least 1 year. No exceptions.

Difference between veteran and trusted:
1) Veterans are no different from trusted except they can pickup and place lava with buckets. This used to be given to trusted members, but obviously due to problems with grief it was taken away. Veterans must have a year or more on the server to be given the rank. It is highly unlikely someone will become trusted by the admins, and get a whole year on the server just so they can grief. This is the only reason for recommending that Veterans receive this even though we want to avoid making players "better" than others.

I do not know if you realize how little amount of trusted have been around for a year. I am an Operator and I have not even been around for a year. The only people that I can see getting this rank are the ones who moved from classic to SMP when 1.8 launched, and most of them are gone or SMP staff. If this rank is going to happen, and thats a big if, I think the time should be shortened. Also, I do not think that people realize how little you need to place lava while playing Minecraft. In my single player world, I only place lava for myself 3 or 4 times which is not worth a whole rank. If the point is so that Veterans can place lava for others, why not join staff? You say you want to avoid making players better than others? Well a higher rank makes them better than others. This rank says, "I've been here a year, I'm better than you". I believe that this should still be open to discussion but it is very rare that it will be approved.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: iGenerator on November 12, 2012, 07:01:21 am
I do not see myself ever wanting to be a staff member on SMP and have been trusted on the server for ten months. There are others (mostly from classic) that are both trusted on SMP and been a member for over a year.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: clawstrider on November 12, 2012, 08:33:37 am
I've been here well over a year, and on the SMP server before it even officially opened (There was this pvp map that Relkeb, Spartan and I (And some others, I think, this was more than a year ago) blew/lava-ed up)
I doubt many people see me gaining staff rank... It would be nice to have this veteran rank (I can think of a few others who qualify aswell).
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Nick3306 on November 12, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
So you want us to implement a rank that would basically show off how long you have been on the server? Cause that is all this is doing.

And chief, trusted users were never allowed to have lava. A few times there was a glitch to where they could use it, but never intentionally.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on November 12, 2012, 09:41:51 pm
So you want us to implement a rank that would basically show off how long you have been on the server? Cause that is all this is doing.
It depends on how you view it, but without doubt, that is how people will view it.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Chief149 on November 12, 2012, 10:38:19 pm
Why is it everyone here looks only at the down side of things?

Lets look at trusted rank, because it is a rank. That is how players see it. Trusted players can place water, and in most, if not all, cases they are players who spent a while on the server before being granted the trusted rank for being trusted by the staff members. Giving them the fancy orange name, and the ability to place water basically makes the members envy the rank, but you all implemented it anyways... Then you tell players never ask for trusted. Then of course you have players who want trusted because they envy the rank, but I don't see many whom do that. Most of the time members and trusted ranked players just act the same. Meanwhile there's the guests which for some reason don't register to quickly become members...

In other words, Veteran rank wouldnt be different from the trusted rank. And on a side note, why not give us lava? We have water, and rarely would a trusted grief... What harm could it do.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Morrison1996 on November 12, 2012, 11:21:20 pm
Lets see chief a trusted with lava. My first mistake with lava as a mod was not making sure the area is protected. Next thing I know I'm trying to re compensate someone because the walked into the fountain. Now expand that scenario to being many trusted. How often would they remember to make it impossible to kill someone with it. The odds are just to high that someone would slipp up and get it taken away anyway.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: techdude98 on November 13, 2012, 12:45:36 am
Honestly i kinda like this idea it gives the trusted members who don't want to become mod another reason to stay on the server. After all former mods who were honorably discharges and longtime trusted members deserve some sort of recognition for staying on the server for so long.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Xeadin on November 13, 2012, 01:15:16 am
Why is it everyone here looks only at the down side of things?

It is not a down-side-- we are looking at this realistically. If you're thinking that we're just looking at this and going, "Oh, no. This is not a good idea," and then moving on to the next idea, then you really need to step into our shoes more often.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Nick3306 on November 13, 2012, 05:51:07 am
Why is it everyone here looks only at the down side of things?

It is not a down-side-- we are looking at this realistically. If you're thinking that we're just looking at this and going, "Oh, no. This is not a good idea," and then moving on to the next idea, then you really need to step into our shoes more often.
Worded perfectly.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: ComputerGameLPer on November 14, 2012, 02:37:11 am
The thing that I would disagree with this
idea of trusted lava is that, Why do trusteds
need lava? Most of us don't need it
often, and it doesn't hurt to call a mod+,
I for one own Lava City,
Even I usually don't require mass lava.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 14, 2012, 03:35:50 am
The thing that I would disagree with this
idea of trusted lava is that, Why do trusteds
need lava? Most of us don't need it
often, and it doesn't hurt to call a mod+,
I for one own Lava City,
Even I usually don't require mass lava.

I just thought of it for ex-mods honestly (What chief posted came from one of my suggestion topics) for the purpose that at least we know they were once a moderator. It shows they can really be trusted. It would NOT be given to those who were banned.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: ComputerGameLPer on November 15, 2012, 03:15:42 am
The thing that I would disagree with this
idea of trusted lava is that, Why do trusteds
need lava? Most of us don't need it
often, and it doesn't hurt to call a mod+,
I for one own Lava City,
Even I usually don't require mass lava.

I just thought of it for ex-mods honestly (What chief posted came from one of my suggestion topics) for the purpose that at least we know they were once a moderator. It shows they can really be trusted. It would NOT be given to those who were banned.
Yes, but my point is, how often would trusted need lava?
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: proush600563 on November 15, 2012, 04:50:02 am
I don't think a veteran trusted rank would be a bad thing ... I mean.. Who doesn't like a nice title?
Also I have never wanted to be a mod just simply because I like having time to actually play minecraft, however I sometimes feel like people look at trusteds as those who aren't cut out for mod'ing .
In no way am I saying its necessary, and I think lava is a bad Idea (really who needs it that often that they can't call a mod?)

idk maybe /tp at most
Anyways though back on subject I think it would be a good idea to have a veteran rank just to show who all of the trusteds that have played for a long time, have caused no trouble to opti staff, and are a bit more devoted to the game are.

Just a thought. Like I said though its not a necessity, just a cool reward for players who've been on a long time.
(And I mean long time by smp server standards)
*also just a side not I have not yet read the first page of this post so sorry if I say anything that has already been discussed.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: DeeKay on November 15, 2012, 09:49:10 am
I don't think a veteran trusted rank would be a bad thing ... I mean.. Who doesn't like a nice title?
Also I have never wanted to be a mod just simply because I like having time to actually play minecraft, however I sometimes feel like people look at trusteds as those who aren't cut out for mod'ing .
In no way am I saying its necessary, and I think lava is a bad Idea (really who needs it that often that they can't call a mod?)

idk maybe /tp at most
Anyways though back on subject I think it would be a good idea to have a veteran rank just to show who all of the trusteds that have played for a long time, have caused no trouble to opti staff, and are a bit more devoted to the game are.

Just a thought. Like I said though its not a necessity, just a cool reward for players who've been on a long time.
(And I mean long time by smp server standards)
*also just a side not I have not yet read the first page of this post so sorry if I say anything that has already been discussed.

Every part of this reply should be an example to why we shouldn't have this rank. I'm sorry, but you made this rank sound so stupid it's not even funny. All this rank will be is an excuse to brag about how long you've been on the server for. It won't take long until people will see the rank as an ego boost rather than something people should work towards.

'to show who all of the trusteds that have played for a long time'
People who have played for a long time are already given a rank, it's called Trusted!

I could go on for ages as to why this is a stupid idea, but I won't because you get the picture. Just be happy with being Trusted people, you've already shown us, the senior staff, that you can be trusted so we don't need another rank to show us you're still here.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: zwaan111 on November 15, 2012, 03:12:41 pm
lol people discussing about something thats clearly not going to happen
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 15, 2012, 03:32:23 pm
xDeeKay, you realize the sheer amount of people getting trusted now right? It seems like we add two more Trusted players every day, and they have only been on the server about a week. So no, now it really doesn't show how long you have been on anymore.

(Inside joke) And no, neither does knowing Xeadin like some guest thought...o_O
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: Nick3306 on November 15, 2012, 06:11:06 pm
We are not looking to add a new rank now or in the future.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: proush600563 on November 15, 2012, 07:33:50 pm
I don't think a veteran trusted rank would be a bad thing ... I mean.. Who doesn't like a nice title?
Also I have never wanted to be a mod just simply because I like having time to actually play minecraft, however I sometimes feel like people look at trusteds as those who aren't cut out for mod'ing .
In no way am I saying its necessary, and I think lava is a bad Idea (really who needs it that often that they can't call a mod?)

idk maybe /tp at most
Anyways though back on subject I think it would be a good idea to have a veteran rank just to show who all of the trusteds that have played for a long time, have caused no trouble to opti staff, and are a bit more devoted to the game are.

Just a thought. Like I said though its not a necessity, just a cool reward for players who've been on a long time.
(And I mean long time by smp server standards)
*also just a side not I have not yet read the first page of this post so sorry if I say anything that has already been discussed.

Every part of this reply should be an example to why we shouldn't have this rank. I'm sorry, but you made this rank sound so stupid it's not even funny. All this rank will be is an excuse to brag about how long you've been on the server for. It won't take long until people will see the rank as an ego boost rather than something people should work towards.

'to show who all of the trusteds that have played for a long time'
People who have played for a long time are already given a rank, it's called Trusted!

I could go on for ages as to why this is a stupid idea, but I won't because you get the picture. Just be happy with being Trusted people, you've already shown us, the senior staff, that you can be trusted so we don't need another rank to show us you're still here.

I do understand every point you've made here xDeeKay (and I am personally happy with trusted and have never complained) I see that nick said this will not be happening and I honestly figured likleyhood of it happening would be low
So realistically though I agree this rank is not needed and I guess if youre a trusted and you've been on for a while most people will just know it anyways.

Also though XDeeKay I am realistic if I may bring up this line (not meaning any disrespect towards you):
In no way am I saying its necessary, and I think lava is a bad Idea (really who needs it that often that they can't call a mod?)
Anyways though I do understand the points
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on November 15, 2012, 08:52:15 pm
XDeeKay, I've heard of someone getting Trusted within a week, or even the first few days of joining Opticraft.  This idea isn't even stupid.
Title: Re: New ranks and priveleges
Post by: DeeKay on November 15, 2012, 10:17:24 pm
It was my opinion people, don't judge me off it like I'm a bad person or something.
I don't want to argue about this, but none of your responses towards my comment actually make sense.

And please, no more rank suggestions, lol.
We are not looking to add a new rank now or in the future.

I see no more room for discussion, locked.