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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: mcoon1 on December 19, 2012, 01:08:35 am
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I don't know if any of you follow the "top voter" ranking quite like I do, but the more that I look at it, the more that I realize how ineffective this is.
I understand that the "top voter" rewards are meant as an incentive to get people to vote as often as they can, but the commitment that is required to get into one of the top 3 spots is CRAZY. For example, 18 days into the month, there are still people who have voted EVERY TIME POSSIBLE.
While this commitment is great (kudos, guys!), I think that there needs to be some sort of reward for the people who aren't able to obsessively commit to voting. In other words, we need an incentive that encourages people to keep voting regularly even should they miss a few instances of voting (which would normally disqualify them from the current "top voter" competition).
Perhaps we could: extend how many places get rewards? count each vote as a ticket for a raffle?
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I like the raffle idea, but diamonds seem effective as of now.
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the raffle idea seems good, As I know some people might hook up a vote bot just to get the money, and that's just unfair.
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When I first joined I thought the top 25 got a reward.
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would be cool if every vote gave you a free ticket in the lottery, for whatever one was active at the time. kinda like 5 free tickets/day for one of two lotto's. not a great chance of winning..... but hey if it's free it's better than the current odds.......
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I like the idea of reform. And maybe the raffle idea could be tweaked. Instead of every vote being inserted into a raffle, after a certain amount, maybe above the average amount that people vote every month, they can be in a raffle.
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I love the idea of a raffle sounds like a chance for the average player to get a chance at winning something. Possibly instead of getting your diamonds you put them in a raffle and for each diamond you put in the pot that counts as a ticket and there is a huge raffle at the end of the month.
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What if we had a 5$ donation reward for everyone who votes at least once every day in a month? Then it could be a cumulative thing.
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Thatd be too much. Maybe in 1 month
30 votes=$2
60 votes=$4
100 votes=$8
150 votes=$20
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Maybe 1 vote = 0.05$
So essentially, it takes 20 votes to even get 1$ worth of donations rewards, meaning 100 just to get something like /hat which is only 5$. This would encourage voting quite a bit, but I'm afraid of the value of donations going down.
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Yesh.
Maybe its 2.5 cents per vote?
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How about the Top 10 get a 5$ reward aside from the Top 3
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I don't think we should reward people with donation money every time they vote. I think donation money rewards should be rare, as they are now. I mean, even if everyone only got a little bit of money for each vote, a lot more people would be eligible for donation rewards, which would make their prices skyrocket. I think the current system for donation rewards works quite well, as we only get 3-4 people with a small sum of money each month. Besides, if everyone was earning essentially free money, actual buying of donation rewards would drop, which would be bad for Optical, who still has to pay for server and domain hosting. It's a nice idea, but its consequences for the whole would outweigh its benefits for the few.
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I don't think we should reward people with donation money every time they vote. I think donation money rewards should be rare, as they are now. I mean, even if everyone only got a little bit of money for each vote, a lot more people would be eligible for donation rewards, which would make their prices skyrocket. I think the current system for donation rewards works quite well, as we only get 3-4 people with a small sum of money each month. Besides, if everyone was earning essentially free money, actual buying of donation rewards would drop, which would be bad for Optical, who still has to pay for server and domain hosting. It's a nice idea, but its consequences for the whole would outweigh its benefits for the few.
I see what you mean.
Back to raffle then? Maybe the top 30 each have 1 ticket, or everyone gets 1 ticket per 5 votes, or wat?
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If anything different a raffel every vote counts as a ticket one prize for $20 donation reward
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I think the way it is is fine.
Because For 2.5 cents a vote is just dumb if you ask me.
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I know the vote rewards thing was invented by me but honestly now I see it is pretty stupid. But I think it would be nice if the top ten got a 5$ donation reward.
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We need donations to keep the server running, yet we would give them out? That's not very smart from a staff point of view.
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You run a race and come 4th, you don't win anything. It's just the way things work.
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I understand that the "top voter" rewards are meant as an incentive to get people to vote as often as they can, but the commitment that is required to get into one of the top 3 spots is CRAZY. For example, 18 days into the month, there are still people who have voted EVERY TIME POSSIBLE.
While this commitment is great (kudos, guys!), I think that there needs to be some sort of reward for the people who aren't able to obsessively commit to voting.
Is it really a great crazy obsessive thing to do something twice a day? I'm doing a lot of crazy things then! 8)
An idea I have for people that are not able to vote twice a day would be to introduce voting milestones or achievements, after a certain amount of votes you get something regardless of the time it took.
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i wouldn't call top voter an incentive, i would call it a reward to those who are dedicated.
nobody mentioned the access to a second /home? that's a pretty useful incentive imo.
but i agree, a single diamond really isn't all too great - some ideas i've had:
- get a random block (or item) out of some random set of usually difficult to obtain blocks/ores
- have a list of voter items that progressively gets better - each time you vote, you get the next item in the list
- voting milestones - every x votes (20, 50, 100) you get a slightly better reward (enchanted items maybe?) along with your normal vote diamond
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i wouldn't call top voter an incentive, i would call it a reward to those who are dedicated.
nobody mentioned the access to a second /home? that's a pretty useful incentive imo.
but i agree, a single diamond really isn't all too great - some ideas i've had:
- get a random block (or item) out of some random set of usually difficult to obtain blocks/ores
- have a list of voter items that progressively gets better - each time you vote, you get the next item in the list
- voting milestones - every x votes (20, 50, 100) you get a slightly better reward (enchanted items maybe?) along with your normal vote diamond
I like the idea of a random block. Introducing the milestones or a list of items could just cause some more problems. If you implement those now, someone who joins 2 months from now will be making another topic like this and complain that other people are getting better voting rewards than them.
Like you said deject, 2 homes is a really good perk that people seem to overlook. In my opinion, the voting system is perfectly fine.
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i wouldn't call top voter an incentive, i would call it a reward to those who are dedicated.
nobody mentioned the access to a second /home? that's a pretty useful incentive imo.
but i agree, a single diamond really isn't all too great - some ideas i've had:
- get a random block (or item) out of some random set of usually difficult to obtain blocks/ores
- have a list of voter items that progressively gets better - each time you vote, you get the next item in the list
- voting milestones - every x votes (20, 50, 100) you get a slightly better reward (enchanted items maybe?) along with your normal vote diamond
I like the idea of a random block. Introducing the milestones or a list of items could just cause some more problems. If you implement those now, someone who joins 2 months from now will be making another topic like this and complain that other people are getting better voting rewards than them.
Like you said deject, 2 homes is a really good perk that people seem to overlook. In my opinion, the voting system is perfectly fine.
that wouldn't happen how i imagined it: 50 votes maybe = 1 enchanted pick. then when you get another 50 votes, you get the same pick (maybe randomized enchantments).
though it wouldn't be a bad thing to have the vote rewards get better over time. it adds a sense of permanence to the server - if people feel like they've put in some irreplaceable effort/time into this server (and are being adequately compensated by vote rewards) then they are less likely to just pack up and go somewhere else.
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How about every ten votes we get a diamond block?
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How about every ten votes we get a diamond block?
bombarding people with diamonds is not the answer :)
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Wow, looks like I murdered the money per vote idea.
(http://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4dggB.png&hash=c233bfc74e099b66f76b5b280e4e8f4b)
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Why would we change this?
People are happy voting for diamonds, so why hand out extra rewards?
I think it's quite nice of Optical already to give the first three voters something extra
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Why would we change this?
People are happy voting for diamonds, so why hand out extra rewards?
I think it's quite nice of Optical already to give the first three voters something extra
> People are happy voting for diamonds
says who?
diamonds are a boring reward. every server hands them out. why pass up an opportunity to come up with something new and better?
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Just look at the stats. Most people aren't voting atleast 5 times every day just to support the community.
People like shiny diamonds. I know I do.
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don't change it diamonds is a great reward if u vote don't take them away!!! most people love voting for diamonds. I think you sould keep it the way it is.
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Why would we change this?
People are happy voting for diamonds, so why hand out extra rewards?
I think it's quite nice of Optical already to give the first three voters something extra
> People are happy voting for diamonds
says who?
diamonds are a boring reward. every server hands them out. why pass up an opportunity to come up with something new and better?
I feel the same way, But donation rewards can't be handed out because that is just swaying people in the opposite direction of donating their money which keeps the server alive.
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Just look at the stats. Most people aren't voting atleast 5 times every day just to support the community.
People like shiny diamonds. I know I do.
i don't see us at #1 on the server lists. we've certainly got the community for it.
I feel the same way, But donation rewards can't be handed out because that is just swaying people in the opposite direction of donating their money which keeps the server alive.
we're not going to give donation rewards for voting. where did you get that idea?
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Maybe 1 vote = 0.05$
So essentially, it takes 20 votes to even get 1$ worth of donations rewards, meaning 100 just to get something like /hat which is only 5$. This would encourage voting quite a bit, but I'm afraid of the value of donations going down.
We need donations to keep the server running, yet we would give them out? That's not very smart from a staff point of view.
(BTW the second quote I agree on)
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Let's not make a fuss about things. This is a suggestions thread, either throw out some suggestions or keep to yourself.
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Maybe 1 vote = 0.05$
So essentially, it takes 20 votes to even get 1$ worth of donations rewards, meaning 100 just to get something like /hat which is only 5$. This would encourage voting quite a bit, but I'm afraid of the value of donations going down.
We need donations to keep the server running, yet we would give them out? That's not very smart from a staff point of view.
(BTW the second quote I agree on)
Did you not hear the part where I said I didn't like the idea either? Lol
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What about exp per vote?
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Why should we add more to voting? As soon as we add something new to the voting system, people are gonna want even more at some point. That's not what we are looking for.
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I saw we change it to a lottery. A ticket per vote. Then we can have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd getting 30, 20, and 10. With this, the higher voters will still be getting a better shot at winning, but if you were in 4th place you still have a chance.
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I agree with the raffle. A ticket per vote would encourage everyone to vote as often as they can AND would eliminate people becoming discouraged from voting due to missing a few votes.
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You know....if we stopped using diamonds....their value would drastically increase...from then on people would rely on the diamonds in their possession already or on the diamonds still out there in mines.
Diamonds are meant to be a valuable item and they are to the community. Getting rid of the diamond reward will not only increase the rarity and value of diamonds, but increase the survival aspect of the server as well (people would need to find diamonds for their armors and weapons/tools). The enchanted items will raise in value a bit as well.
It could have some great positive effects.
Perhaps we can replace the diamond with the not as important but still fairly rare and super shiny emerald.
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If we are getting a new voting reward, I think it should be something less useful than diamonds, but not as useless as emeralds.
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...Everyone is missing the original point of this post. Diamonds are a GREAT voter reward. They allow players to focus less on mining and more on building (should they choose). This should NOT change.
The post is about changing the TOP_VOTER rewards. This system has been corrupted by (what I believe to be) people using bots, which has ruined the entire spirit of the TOP_VOTER competition.
If you would like to discuss replacing diamonds as the reward for everyday voting, I suggest that you make a separate topic.
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I have never once used a bot to vote. That's a pretty large accusation you are making. The top voters are people who are very dedicated to the server and have time on their hands to vote. They have figured out ways to vote when they are not at home (via phone, tablet, ipod, etc.). They lead busy lives like all of us but they find 5 minutes during the day and 5 minutes at night to vote. We've all been knocked out from top voter spot at some point (if we were actually competing for it). We've all had something more important than voting. We possibly forgot or didnt register the fact that we needed to vote. The top voter rank celebrates those who have voted for the server most of all voters. Finding some little niche in time to vote. Sacrificing a miniscule piece of the time in their lives to compete, hope to win the reward and most of all, help Opticraft grow. By voting, players help the server gain more awareness and grow. It is only fair that the top voters who had the most dedication receive a reward for their hard work and for being the major help in raising server awareness.
Now there's a chance that people just press the vote button and don't actually fill out the captchas (I myself make sure to fill them out). But that's a whole other argument. (Which I believe should be something that optical/cschurz can work on fixing in the future).
If you are worried about top voter rewards, I think the current system is fine. The top 3 get a donation reward with a worth of $30, $20, or $10. Tell me why we need a reform there. To make it more fair to others that miss a vote or two? The top voter goes to the top voters not all the voters. Like someone said already on this thread, its like a race. The top 3 get a trophy and the others get recognition for participating. With the diamond or whatever reward u get from voting, that's an example of recognition. With the top voter reward, its that reward +some rewards for placing in the top 3 and being super dedicated.
I don't see an issue with anything but the voting rewards. The top voter rewards are perfect in my eyes.
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That is good and all... but I think that we need to look beyond what the "ultra-dedicated" few want and look to what would be better for the server. As they stand, the "Top_Voter" rewards are great, but they really only affect ~15 people. I am proposing reform that would encourage a person who may have 1/2 of the votes of the number one voter (which is still an impressive contribution) to continue to vote as often as they can.
I know that the current system is fun... but think about how many people it actually encourages to vote. The top 10? 15? A raffle would encourage EVERYONE to vote as often as they can. The way I see it, when it really comes down to it, a raffle would be a MUCH better use of the resources that are currently being expended in an effort to encourage voting.
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Don't know if anyones noticed, but this thread is just going around in circles.
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Agreed:
..So, does anyone have any input on TOP_VOTER reform (not normal voter rewards involving diamonds)? Any possible flaws with having a raffle at the end of the month?
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Yes, I see a flaw with replacing the current TOP_Voter rewards with a raffle. Let's do some math, shall we? Let's say the three normal top voters each got 150 votes. Let's also say that 4th-10th place each got 140 votes. Now, assuming those were all of the players who voted, the number of top voter "tickets" in the raffle are 450, while the number of non-top voter tickets are 980. Already you can see where I'm going with this. That means for each top voter, they have a 150/1430 chance of winning, or a 10.4% chance. And that's just within the top 10! Say there were 100 other people who voted 40 times. That makes a total of 1,380 votes, which lowers a top voter's chances to 150/5430 of winning, or 2.76%. And these are the high-commitment, button punching, captcha typing people on every 12 hours to try and earn their spot among the donation reward elite! For all of their hard work, they have a 2.76% chance of winning! If there aren't already big holes in this idea for you, then I'll tell you that the chance of one of the people who voted 40 times is 0.73%. Not that much of a difference! People will then start saying, "Why should I vote again? It won't make me any more likely to win the reward." So then votes will plummet, and so will server ranking, then members online, and finally revenue. Now, is that such a good idea?
Disclaimer: I am not being argumentative. I am simply stating my reasons why I think this is a bad idea. None of this is meant to be taken personally, as it so often is. I hope that by posting this I do not hinder any relationships with any Opticraft members now or in the future.
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That is a very good point...
So why don't you limit who gets entered by making a minimum number of votes? Take only those who voted over 100 times? Or maybe take only the votes of the top 25? Maybe make every vote after 100 worth 5 tickets?
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I'd recommend keeping the current TOP_VOTER rewards if we do adopt the raffle plan, just so those who deserve it don't get blown off. Anyways, a minimum vote limit could work, but it would require lots of fine tuning, and those who are falling behind on votes and know they won't meet the quota would be demotivated as well. I feel like if we do have a minimum vote limit it would have to keep getting downsized, like from the top 100, to the top 25, to the top 10, to the top 3... and then you're back where you started.
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You think that would demotivate them? Im sure all those people out there who see theyre 20 votes behind are demotivated.
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Well, that is true. I guess my point is that it won't motivate them any further.
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That is good and all... but I think that we need to look beyond what the "ultra-dedicated" few want and look to what would be better for the server. As they stand, the "Top_Voter" rewards are great, but they really only affect ~15 people. I am proposing reform that would encourage a person who may have 1/2 of the votes of the number one voter (which is still an impressive contribution) to continue to vote as often as they can.
I know that the current system is fun... but think about how many people it actually encourages to vote. The top 10? 15? A raffle would encourage EVERYONE to vote as often as they can. The way I see it, when it really comes down to it, a raffle would be a MUCH better use of the resources that are currently being expended in an effort to encourage voting.
..So, does anyone have any input on TOP_VOTER reform (not normal voter rewards involving diamonds)? Any possible flaws with having a raffle at the end of the month?
i think your original suggestion is confused; is your goal to open the "top voter" rank up to more people as encouragement to vote, or is your goal to simply increase voting overall?
i've already said:
i wouldn't call top voter an incentive, i would call it a reward to those who are dedicated.
which i still believe (read: turning it into a raffle defeats the purpose). that is why my post tried to shift the topic into reforming the actual vote reward rather than reforming "top voter" - because it sounds like all you want is to have more incentive to vote, and changing top voter isn't going to happen.
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Well I got a suggestion.
People always talk in global chat saying "I'm sooo poor! Please give me money"
And that is ingame money. Most people sell diamonds at $50 In-Game.
So why not just give the player 50 In-Game money instead of diamonds?
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Well I got a suggestion.
People always talk in global chat saying "I'm sooo poor! Please give me money"
And that is ingame money. Most people sell diamonds at $50 In-Game.
So why not just give the player 50 In-Game money instead of diamonds?
Diamonds are also good for making tools, and I think most people would rather get 5 free each day instead of paying $750 for one.