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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Sugna on January 07, 2013, 03:32:24 pm
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I have thought that there are too many Trusteds now. Its being handed out like cookies, most people are getting it. Its not very "special" anymore. I think that "Trusted" should be given out less and made harder to get, honestly I don't even know who some of the Trusteds are.
My point is, its being given out way too much, and I think the Ops+ have got to calm down a little bit so Trusted can be special. I don't want the Trusted rank to turn into the economy problems where everyone has it and its just a regular thing. Some people have though about adding another rank e.g. Senior Trusted, Veteran, but this is not the answer. Trusted should be a special rank that only the "Trusted" people get, not just the people who say "Lol" after anyone says something just to get trusted.
Please take this into consideration.
Kind regards,
-WoodenSlime
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The rank of trusted goes to whom are trusted by staff. Its not just ops+ that have a say in it. its mod+ that have more say.
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I know but now its a lot easier to get it than it used to be. It's just not the same...
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At the start people had no clue what to do to get trusted though... People talk so they will tell others on how to 'speed up' the trusted process
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I kinda know what you mean, but its so common now no one feels special being a Trusted, do you know what i'm talking about?
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Do you know the meaning behind 'Trusted'? No? Oh ok.
Well as you've said, Trusted doesn't mean it's special, we hand it out to the players we trust, not to some person to make him feel special
And yes, i see you've noticed that there have been a fair amount of promoted members lately along with the recent addition of operators (around feb - 3/4 operators, now there is 9) which has given us more of an advantage of looking for those members, even quiet ones that we feel that they have earnt the communities trust.
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Counter point, WoodenSlime: Do you have any idea who I am?
I have played on the server for HOURS every day for the last few months AND been a top 10 voter for the last 2 months. However, I am one of the 'quiet' ones who doesn't socialize much. Does this mean that I don't EVER deserve to be trusted due to the fact that most of the other trusted people wouldn't know who I am? Of course not.
As BigBadHenz said, being trusted isn't an award... it's a covenant. As I see it, if you really love this server, Opticraft having lots of 'trusted' ranked people should not make you feel under-appreciated, but rather happy that you get to be a part of a vibrant community of honest, dedicated players.
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I kinda know what you mean, but its so common now no one feels special being a Trusted, do you know what i'm talking about?
We cant help if people feel special or not. It was not our goal to make people feel special.
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I also believe that trusted is given out to readily, i met a trusted player that did not yet know the command /pay (player name)
I have also had instances where trusted players have asked me why they cannot build in an area, not knowing what a ps is.
trusted is far to common, players should not be trusted so quick. this week, i was building with redstone, in dragons keep, i left to eat supper, and came back to find all the redstone gone. i put in a ticket, and alicia came, told me it was water damage, and then left. this is obviously a trusted player, that has been griefing with water for materials.
-Booorad
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There is no happy medium it seems. Either we are not promoting enough players or we are promoting too much.
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i see what you are saying nick, but i believe trusteds should not be choosen so rashly, but i do also believe there are alot of older members that deserve trusted. the only way to solve a problem like this one, is to make a limit of age of the player, so you have to have been on the server for a set amount of time before being considered for trusted.
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I know that people deserve it. But its so easy to get now a days.
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I know that people deserve it. But its so easy to get now a days.
What do you mean? You are saying 2 completely different things. If they deserve it is has nothing to do with being easy to get. Also, I don't think it's that easier to get than it used to be.
Do you know a lot of trusteds who shouldn't be trusted? Almost every trusted I know is mature and prepared to help anybody in need. Therefore they deserve to be "trusted", since ops/mods can "trust" them.
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The simple thing is that people who get trusted have gotten it for a reason. If you don't like it then get over it. Its not in your control.
locked
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No need to lock this.
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Alrighty, Just trying to prevent arguments and Shit
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i calculated that more trusted lowers the chance of becoming mod when the apps are open
i thinks you guys want less trusteds for more chance
(maybe i am totally wrong about this)
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There is no happy medium it seems. Either we are not promoting enough players or we are promoting too much.
Trusteds will say there are too many, members will say there are not enough, both sides just thinking about themselves in most cases.
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The players that complain about there being too many trusteds are the trusted players. It's almost like you want to keep the rank for yourselves. More trusted players means more dedicated players not more superior players.
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i was bored so i thought i'd just make up some arbitrary graph to help explain why there's so many trusted....
(http://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1071.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu509%2Ftiggy26668%2Fluls_zps63db60b3.png&hash=dc44c8355fe9ba69def8bea85cf9d1e6)
lol that should pretty much do it......
turns out you gain more trusted than you lose so there's bound to be a ton eventually......
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For all these people you deem unworthy to bear the trusted rank will most likley be demoted or just stop coming on. Think about it, there are a few handfuls of trusted members who have been that way since the day you joined. There are others who like I said gain trust and vanish into thin air.
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While I do agree we have a lot of trusteds now than we used to, it seems that people only complain to make themselves feel exclusive and special.
Once, long ago, it was exclusive with the limited amount of trusteds. But it isn't about being exclusive. Its about being dedicated. Its about being a member of the community we can trust won't cause trouble. And sure there are those trusteds that do cause trouble, but that cannot be blamed on the staff. Its hard to predict players causing trouble. Especially if its never been shown in their character.
If you want to "feel special" and have something to brag about, try getting top voter. That will really show your hard work and dedication to the server. Trusted is not the rank for exclusiveness.
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Why dont ops just ask a few questions about plugins and rules, then if the person answers them correctly(after they have proved they are already trusted material) THEN they get the rank.
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Lots of people that are trusted now and come on have been on a long time and do deserve it. Everyone who is trusted Is trusted by the staff so as long as the staff can trust them there should be no limit.
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The players that complain about there being too many trusteds are the trusted players. It's almost like you want to keep the rank for yourselves. More trusted players means more dedicated players not more superior players.
Bingo
Why dont ops just ask a few questions about plugins and rules, then if the person answers them correctly(after they have proved they are already trusted material) THEN they get the rank.
Then they can just Copy/Paste the answers and act like they give a hoot, then we're right back where we started.
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I agree it took some people months for trusted and it took someone I know like a week.
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Guys, get it through your head: if an op trust someone, guess what. They are TRUSTED. Stop complaining and get playing. Besides, are we really whining about what is basically a change of color in chat?
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This is not a complaint or anything but I keep seeing more and more trusted getting banned, defying the purpose of Trusted.
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This is not a complaint or anything but I keep seeing more and more trusted getting banned, defying the purpose of Trusted.
That hasn't really changed or grown, there are trusted that get banned and there are even moderators that get banned.
That being said, there was never the whole "Trusted was more important back then and today it's less important" thing, our regulations may have changed but we treat trusted as the same importance as it always was/
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Why dont ops just ask a few questions about plugins and rules, then if the person answers them correctly(after they have proved they are already trusted material) THEN they get the rank.
Then they can just Copy/Paste the answers and act like they give a hoot, then we're right back where we started.
OR they ask a few questions they think of on the spot.
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Why dont ops just ask a few questions about plugins and rules, then if the person answers them correctly(after they have proved they are already trusted material) THEN they get the rank.
Then they can just Copy/Paste the answers and act like they give a hoot, then we're right back where we started.
OR they ask a few questions they think of on the spot.
Bad idea, simply because they have knowledge about the server doesn't mean they are trusted.
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Why dont ops just ask a few questions about plugins and rules, then if the person answers them correctly(after they have proved they are already trusted material) THEN they get the rank.
Then they can just Copy/Paste the answers and act like they give a hoot, then we're right back where we started.
OR they ask a few questions they think of on the spot.
Bad idea, simply because they have knowledge about the server doesn't mean they are trusted.
Only when the ops think they are ready for getting trusted.
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If you trust a player it doesn't have to mean he should know about the server. For all we care it could be a member which the only thing he knows is mining. The point of trusted is that we TRUST that the player won't do any harm to the server, not that we trust the player to have some background knowledge on the server and its plugins.
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I just want to point out. That Some people get trusted faster then others because the Help people, Be kind, Are active.
And If the ops notice and give them there trust that is that. Nothing we can do. and Honestly There can never be enough trusted players =)
EDIT: also some players are Builders, Crafters, and Ops on the Classic server. So that would make it easier.
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i simply believe that trusted should not be handed out without knowing even the basics of opticraft, and no, i am not saying this to better my standings, i just think that being griefed with water sucks :P
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If you get griefed by water then the person whom had placed it would be banned.
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i calculated that more trusted lowers the chance of becoming mod when the apps are open
i thinks you guys want less trusteds for more chance
(maybe i am totally wrong about this)
I'm sure if I was an Admin, I wouldn't want to limit myself in choices of who I put in charge. Not every trusted player is prepared. Some are little kids too, but they can follow the rules and help out, that's why they're trusted in the first place. More trusted, more possibility of better moderators!
IMO, if I was to select Trusted, quite frankly I wouldn't care what they have done so far, so long as they have been here for a while, started to get dedicated, have not caused problems, follow the rules, and I know they will keep following the rules.
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As trusted I feel that its not really an overpowering rank. I mean being able to use buckets of water and lava doesn't really make you better than the rest... (not that I"m stating that you said that) But its more like a feeling you are saying "Trusted, there can only be few" and thus made a post about it.
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I'd like to say that I felt like this once, but I got over it once an idea popped into my head...
"Hey, I'm an excellent player who loves the server, knows most things about it, and is willing to help out a little bit more, so I'm gonna go out for moderator. I know all this about me is true, so the competition shouldn't matter. :D "
Those weren't my exact thoughts but u get my point :P.
Plus, I bet the reason you feel this way about your fellow trusted is because you don't know all of them.
I didn't know any of the new mods when apps were accepted and close, and hated the fact that there were new staff, but now they're my friends :).
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to be honest i sorta *lucked out* on becoming trusted in my first week or so Because Of my dedication to the sever By Being on the fourms since i think July, And playing classic alot & smp when i got premime
My Point in this Is those the Ops/mods/admins Trust should become trusted By THERE Descion not other peoples opioion
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You guys, once again...
Trusted cannot tp, use lava, fly etc.
Trusted CANNOT use lava.
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You guys, once again...
Trusted cannot tp, use lava, fly etc.
Trusted CANNOT use lava.
Who said anything about that?
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You guys, once again...
Trusted cannot tp, use lava, fly etc.
Trusted CANNOT use lava.
Who said anything about that?
As trusted I feel that its not really an overpowering rank. I mean being able to use buckets of water and lava doesn't really make you better than the rest... (not that I"m stating that you said that) But its more like a feeling you are saying "Trusted, there can only be few" and thus made a post about it.
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No one said anything about tp'ing or flying, the lava was a simple mistake....
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It seems that most of the minecraft server players revolve around ranks.
RANKS RANKS RANKS RANKS GIVE ME A HIGHER RANK!
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It seems that most of the minecraft server players revolve around ranks.
RANKS RANKS RANKS RANKS GIVE ME A HIGHER RANK!
very true. ERM HA GERD MY NAME WILL GO FROM MEDIUM GREEN TO A SLIGHTLY DARKER GREEN BECAUSE I DONATED $100!! :D
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It seems that most of the minecraft server players revolve around ranks.
RANKS RANKS RANKS RANKS GIVE ME A HIGHER RANK!
very true. ERM HA GERD MY NAME WILL GO FROM MEDIUM GREEN TO A SLIGHTLY DARKER GREEN BECAUSE I DONATED $100!! :D
so is it wrong that i could care less about the privileges but really really like having a purple name?
i suppose the color drives me more than the status........
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I once saw a server that gave you a bunch of donation ranks, and one of those costed 300$...
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I once saw a server that gave you a bunch of donation ranks, and one of those costed 300$...
Yesh. On a hunger games server you could get a $600 ppackage (srry for offtopic)
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I once saw a server that gave you a bunch of donation ranks, and one of those costed 300$...
On a hunger games server you could get a $600 ppackage
(http://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9IQTw.gif&hash=fe36f38565fc884a3fcb4a7350787227)
What even is this...? I don't...
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I once saw a server that gave you a bunch of donation ranks, and one of those costed 300$...
On a hunger games server you could get a $600 ppackage
(http://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9IQTw.gif&hash=fe36f38565fc884a3fcb4a7350787227)
What even is this...? I don't even...
Just sums it up for us.
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Guys chill....
People want a goal to go for and minecraft doesn't have an over all goal.
So all we've done is give you a goal to work your way up the ranks.
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I'm going to lock this thread the second time, judging by the off-topic and pointless posts, I believe this thread has served it's purpose.