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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Muhnator on September 28, 2011, 01:26:20 am
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This tread is dirrected toward's Opti.. Try and keep if free from unrelated comments.
So after having a really good talk on the server with Nick3306, about what would happen if economy was implemented, and how protection should be used, i feel the need to make this tread since, i forsee some issues with the curent line that is being laid out for the beta server.. (the talk in Devils tread)
Economy :
This is a truely bad idea imo.. Those that know me, know that im a fairly good miner, and i have alot of freetime on my hands atm.. This will make me able to get a huge advantage over casual players joining the server. If all of the sudden the game is economy based this will encurrage players to horde resources..(i know i will, even if its a bad idea) With the tecknique i use for mining, and the time i got on my hands, i will be hording a chest of diamonds and a dubble chest of gold in a week..
This is really bad, cuz a casual player have no chance in hell getting to the same lvl im at.. I shoudent care about this, cuz i would obviusly be on top of the foodchain, but i do care..
Hording resources is a really bad idea, cuz just like irl, it will create a huge inbalanace, no matter how you try and micromanage it.. The players with the most time on their hands will dominate the game, and as far as i understand opticraft, it should be even for all players..
Please do not implement this..
Protection :
After talking to Nick today i got the feeling that i didnt really explain how i see protection used, so after some brainstorming, and some correction of my english skillz, im gona try again..
Protection should be free, not economy based.. It should be build based.. (the server is allready hybrid build based)
"How build based you ask"
Well, just like in classic, were ops spend time promoting ppl for their builds, is kinda the same way protection should work..
Op's should be the ones deciding how mutch protection the player "deserves" If protection is implemented grief and exploit is PERMANENTLY fixed, and ops jobs would now be to protect ppls builds, according to the efford that was put into it.. (imagine classic just totally grief free)
Lets say a player spends 2 days building a house that is roughly 30x30, well then he gets around a 50x50 spot protected. (its up to the player to find a suitable spot, and it should say so in the spawn)
Dirt sheeds and dare i say it "crappy builds" wont get protection. The op should be convinved that this is a player that wants to continiue playing on the server.. Just like the move from guest to recruit in classic..
If a player travels to the far edge of the map, since hes aware of he going to make a 200x200 build, there should be no problem in protecting this aswell, as long as the player has chosen his area with some thought.. (most ppl that make big builds should be able to do this)
Protection is in no way based on how big or "awsome" the build is. The guy that makes a nice house that is 30x30, deserves the same treatment as the one that does a 200x200 mindblowing castle complex. its just up to the op to decide if the player wants to make opticraft his home..
The size of the build does however not gief ranks or anything like it, its just making sure the player has a good gaming explerience, no matter if there are ops online or not.
About the height of the protection, it has to be from bedrock to the skies. As i wrote in Devils tread, the thing that allows players to build great stuff, is their mine (the game is called minecraft).
If a player decides to make a 200x200 build, hes gona need the rock and coal beneeth him to make this a reality. Some ppl spend alot of time on their mines, and this deserves just as mutch protection as the structure on top, if not more.
Ive seen some ppl make a small building on top, with enormus creations underground.
And for thos that argue it not fair cuz then all the diamond is getting reserved, i can only facepalm.. This is the typical "omg its that dudes fault i fail" thinking that was allmost destroying Devils tread..
Its like ppl forget that they can still mine outside the protected zone, noone will be stopping you from exploring caves or setting up a mine anywere else in the map.
If you think the player that makes an insane build is interested in diamonds, i urge you to try and think again. (personally id pick coal over diamond anyday) Heck, ill even give away my diamonds if its what it takes.(as long as i kan keep a few for my pic and shovel)
And the beta maps are wast, so stop crying and go find what you want in the rest of the world that is yours to explore. 200x200 is the biggest i could imagine anyone building on, and this is still a only tiny part of the map when we go out of testing.
Ive seen this on other servers.. First of all, op's have more time on their hands, cuz grief is only part of history books. But most important of all, protection makes the entire attitude of the server alot brighter between the players.
I played on supremeserver for around 2 weeks (only left cuz you made the server Opti) and i have never in those 2 weeks seen a grief comment in the chat..
Further more, ive never seen 2 ppl argue over whos space is whos, witch we atm are drowning in on the beta server (yes im one of em) Ppl were happy to invite other ppl to see their builds, cuz there were no chance of em getting exploited or griefed.
Im posting this cuz i want all players to have the same great experience, no mater how mutch freetime they got on their hands, or how good they are at mining/building..
My suggestion's are not final, all numbers are just there as an example. Ofc they can be tweaked, but i generally see this as the best hybrid solution for the server. Both for the players and the staff..
Muhnator
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I know i have already told you this but i just want to say again for others here. My reason for not liking the promotion based on how well you build is that I feel it will turn the server into more of a creative server. Not everyone comes on to build great things, and they should be able to buy protection for their things if they want it.
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I know i have already told you this but i just want to say again for others here. My reason for not liking the promotion based on how well you build is that I feel it will turn the server into more of a creative server. Not everyone comes on to build great things, and they should be able to buy protection for their things if they want it.
I think as usuall, its my lack of english skillz that leads to misunderstanding..
I wish you would support me, and maby use your english skillz to help me try and explain how i would work.
But im not saying it has to be a great build in any way.. Just more then 12 dirt blocs stacked on top of eachother and the player then asks for a 100x100 area..
Please Nick, i beg of you, try and help me here..
Muhnator
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I completely understand what you are saying. And it makes sense, but i dont think it is fit for a server where most people just want to play smp with their friends. But i also understand why an economy would be bad, they both have their ups and downs.
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I completely understand what you are saying. And it makes sense, but i dont think it is fit for a server where most people just want to play smp with their friends. But i also understand why an economy would be bad, they both have their ups and downs.
The server is not smp anymore, its allready hybrid.. Im talking about the best hybrid solution..
But thanks for the support...
Muhnator
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I understand you concerns and everybody else's with an economy, It just doesn't make that big of a deal, at least not what everybody is getting at. Heck you're even free to completely ignore the economy if you like even if it's implemented.
Protection, economy based, non economy based, either way doesn't bother me. I prefer a staff free method but hey just as long as there is some type of protection.
+1 on the thread muh.
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I understand you concerns and everybody else's with an economy, It just doesn't make that big of a deal, at least not what everybody is getting at. Heck you're even free to completely ignore the economy if you like even if it's implemented.
Protection, economy based, non economy based, either way doesn't bother me. I prefer a staff free method but hey just as long as there is some type of protection.
+1 on the thread muh.
Thanks alot Devil.. You oppinion meens alot..
As i stated in your tread, some of the economybased stuff you post about, goes right over my head. I just fear hording of resources, but this might be cuz i dont understand it fully.
About protection, i belive we agree 100%
Thanks again for making your super insightfull tread
Muhnator
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Whats wrong with hoarding? I always hoard, I have a magnet for lava :P
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If you don't hoard, there can never be an economy system. How can you trade when you have not hoarded materials. Are you saying you should make your materials into something as soon as you come up from a mine? The whole point about Minecraft is getting better materials, then saving them for when you need them. Personally, I prefer making trades to a big economy $ system, but even so, hoarding should not be a "Bad" issue in either of them....
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I dont understand your concerns about hoarding? What does it have to do with an economy?
The whole paragraph does not make sense to me, as i don't see how hoarding or having a lot of stuff has anything to do with an economy system.
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I dont understand your concerns about hoarding? What does it have to do with an economy?
The whole paragraph does not make sense to me, as i don't see how hoarding or having a lot of stuff has anything to do with an economy system.
What he is saying is that an economy system rewards people who hoard resources to sell for money to buy things like land. That gives casual players an unfair disadvantage because they are not on as much and wont be able to hoard as many resources as he can.
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I dont understand your concerns about hoarding? What does it have to do with an economy?
The whole paragraph does not make sense to me, as i don't see how hoarding or having a lot of stuff has anything to do with an economy system.
My answer to this is pretty mutch Nicks reply..
Again, as in my answer to Devil "it might be that i dont understand the economy system fully" But as far is i understand money is earned of the amount of resources you have gathered, and this will encrurrage ppl to horde and not "build"
If im right your server will end up being a network of tunnels, rather then having some nice buildings to look at..
I might be wrong.. or i might misunderstand the dirrection you want the server to go in..
Do you have any reply on protection, if you do i would love to hear it..
Muhnator
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Have protection in a far and secluded area where ppl dun go? Eg centre of ocean?
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I dont understand your concerns about hoarding? What does it have to do with an economy?
The whole paragraph does not make sense to me, as i don't see how hoarding or having a lot of stuff has anything to do with an economy system.
What he is saying is that an economy system rewards people who hoard resources to sell for money to buy things like land. That gives casual players an unfair disadvantage because they are not on as much and wont be able to hoard as many resources as he can.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
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Have protection in a far and secluded area where ppl dun go? Eg centre of ocean?
As i said in the tread, i would gladly travel to the end of the world, 20 minuttes from any playeer that has bult anything, to get my stuff protected.. My current home is setup in the middle of a lake, on the border of the map..
Muhnator
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If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
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It's like ppl do not read what i write at all..
Im not concerned about me.. As i said, i know i will be on top of the foodchain. I will prob be one of the richest guys in the game, and most ppl on that background would say "loool fuck all you casuals, im gona pwn the entire map"
Im a retard, cuz i do think about the casual, i remeber being the casual.. And this is the problem that most ppl have in opticraft as far as i see it.. As soon as they "gain a rank" the general thought is fk everyone below me..
Im trying to make my voice heard, on behalf of thos that dont have alot of freetime, or mining/building skillz.. These guys do not roam the forums, only non casuals do. But they do deserve the same treatment as the rest of us..
But as i said on the server last night, maby "exploiting" the shit out of the economy system wil make em listen. I would see this as my last solution though..
Economy is however not my biggest concern, as Devil said, "it dosent really matter that mutch". I belive this guy knows what hes talking about. I hope your right man..
My concern was mosty around protection
Im still super interested in hearing Opti's opinion on the protection system i suggested.
Muhnator
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Please don't double post, modify your post instead. Thanks.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
B: Exactly. The fact that I am an op, is that I am a casual builder (I do not love it, I may do it ocasionally on the side). I personally, would be annoyed, but I can imagine what a crafter/builder aiming for crafter would do if they were griefed...
And as to your second point, I don't particularly understand your point. It would not matter if you did "expoit" the system, what would it matter to us, unless you reserved much of the world, at which point an op might step in...
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Please don't double post, modify your post instead. Thanks.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
B: Exactly. The fact that I am an op, is that I am a casual builder (I do not love it, I may do it ocasionally on the side). I personally, would be annoyed, but I can imagine what a crafter/builder aiming for crafter would do if they were griefed...
And as to your second point, I don't particularly understand your point. It would not matter if you did "expoit" the system, what would it matter to us, unless you reserved much of the world, at which point an op might step in...
No, the reason you are an op is cuz you couldent achieve crafter. You begged for Op, and was put on trial many times since you have a reputation of not being able to be tusted.. (i was there when you got op, dont forget that) (+ ive seen you grief alot in beta)
You do not grasp this tread at all. Im talking about fixing problems b4 they occur, and fixing em permanently. You are still stuck at narrowminded micromanegment..
Please stop posting in this tread since your input is pointless
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Please don't double post, modify your post instead. Thanks.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
B: Exactly. The fact that I am an op, is that I am a casual builder (I do not love it, I may do it ocasionally on the side). I personally, would be annoyed, but I can imagine what a crafter/builder aiming for crafter would do if they were griefed...
And as to your second point, I don't particularly understand your point. It would not matter if you did "expoit" the system, what would it matter to us, unless you reserved much of the world, at which point an op might step in...
No, the reason you are an op is cuz you couldent achieve crafter. You begged for Op, and was put on trial many times since you have a reputation of not being able to be tusted.. (i was there when you got op, dont forget that) (+ ive seen you grief alot in beta)
You do not grasp this tread at all. Im talking about fixing problems b4 they occur, and fixing em permanently. You are still stuck at narrowminded micromanegment..
Please stop posting in this tread since your input is pointless
I became op because I dislike building and wanted to help the server. If "begging" for op, is making an app, then fine, I did, but so did every other op. And saying that I was on trial because "I am not trusted" is a load of tosh. Its saying they trust you to put you on trial. And you have seen me grief a lot? I don't see myself banned, so kindly enlighten me as to the "Lot of grief" I have done.
I think I grasp this "tread" enough, and just because you cannot accept my opinion, does not mean I cannot post here. Please stop trying to make arguements, as, unlike you, I really don't enjoy them, and they make this topic go off topic.
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Please don't double post, modify your post instead. Thanks.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
B: Exactly. The fact that I am an op, is that I am a casual builder (I do not love it, I may do it ocasionally on the side). I personally, would be annoyed, but I can imagine what a crafter/builder aiming for crafter would do if they were griefed...
And as to your second point, I don't particularly understand your point. It would not matter if you did "expoit" the system, what would it matter to us, unless you reserved much of the world, at which point an op might step in...
No, the reason you are an op is cuz you couldent achieve crafter. You begged for Op, and was put on trial many times since you have a reputation of not being able to be tusted.. (i was there when you got op, dont forget that) (+ ive seen you grief alot in beta)
You do not grasp this tread at all. Im talking about fixing problems b4 they occur, and fixing em permanently. You are still stuck at narrowminded micromanegment..
Please stop posting in this tread since your input is pointless
I became op because I dislike building and wanted to help the server. If "begging" for op, is making an app, then fine, I did, but so did every other op. And saying that I was on trial because "I am not trusted" is a load of tosh. Its saying they trust you to put you on trial. And you have seen me grief a lot? I don't see myself banned, so kindly enlighten me as to the "Lot of grief" I have done.
I think I grasp this "tread" enough, and just because you cannot accept my opinion, does not mean I cannot post here. Please stop trying to make arguements, as, unlike you, I really don't enjoy them, and they make this topic go off topic.
You sir, are the best forum troll ive ever meet. Its the only thing i see you being really good at..
Like you flamed me with pm's ingame calling me all sorts of shit, can i please urge you to pm me instead, about your personal problems. So it dosent take focus of the subject im posting about..
Im aware that you and me will never get along, but this post is not the place to try and solve this.
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Please don't double post, modify your post instead. Thanks.
If you are a casual player, you:
A. Will not have as bigger builds (less mats, less build) so cheaper to protect
B. Would not care as much if people break in/mess it up a bit, as this is you free time thing, not a very important work of art.
Right?
a : mhmm
b : no matter the size, or quality of the build any player complains about grief. You are a classic op, you should know better then this reply..
B: Exactly. The fact that I am an op, is that I am a casual builder (I do not love it, I may do it ocasionally on the side). I personally, would be annoyed, but I can imagine what a crafter/builder aiming for crafter would do if they were griefed...
And as to your second point, I don't particularly understand your point. It would not matter if you did "expoit" the system, what would it matter to us, unless you reserved much of the world, at which point an op might step in...
No, the reason you are an op is cuz you couldent achieve crafter. You begged for Op, and was put on trial many times since you have a reputation of not being able to be tusted.. (i was there when you got op, dont forget that) (+ ive seen you grief alot in beta)
You do not grasp this tread at all. Im talking about fixing problems b4 they occur, and fixing em permanently. You are still stuck at narrowminded micromanegment..
Please stop posting in this tread since your input is pointless
I became op because I dislike building and wanted to help the server. If "begging" for op, is making an app, then fine, I did, but so did every other op. And saying that I was on trial because "I am not trusted" is a load of tosh. Its saying they trust you to put you on trial. And you have seen me grief a lot? I don't see myself banned, so kindly enlighten me as to the "Lot of grief" I have done.
I think I grasp this "tread" enough, and just because you cannot accept my opinion, does not mean I cannot post here. Please stop trying to make arguements, as, unlike you, I really don't enjoy them, and they make this topic go off topic.
You sir, are the best forum troll ive ever meet. Its the only thing i see you being really good at..
Like you flamed me with pm's ingame calling me all sorts of shit, can i please urge you to pm me instead, about your personal problems. So it dosent take focus of the subject im posting about..
Im aware that you and me will never get along, but this post is not the place to try and solve this.
I couldn't agree more with that last sentance. I have no personal problem, apart from you, getting angry at me on the forum, for some reason, could be I have a valid counter arguement, and this annoys you as it is your job to solve arguements.
If you wish to disuss this further, I am perfectly happy to talk to you on IRC, but I would rather we got on topic now.
At this rate, another op, admin, or I will have to lock the topic, rendering it completely useless, and I would rather that didn't happen, as there are some nice points in it.
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Must you guys do this in every damn beta topic?
As much as I dont like resource hoarding, I believe an economy is the way to go.
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Claw, i apollogize for being to passionate sometimes.. Our paths crossed at a bad time..
I want us to get along, and forget this petty squabble..
Muhnator
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Claw, i apollogize for being to passionate sometimes.. Our paths crossed at a bad time..
I want us to get along, and forget this petty squabble..
Muhnator
Agreed, sorry for being negative about your ideas, and trying to continue unnecessary arguements, when your suggestions were completely valid.
Claw
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Aww, don't they look cute together?
Since when did you guys start posting 1-10 paragraph posts? I like it :)
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So a little thing i wana add to this..
I was talking to a good friend of mine on the server, about how protection works..
The person told me that protection would be a nightmare if it was implemented, since ops would the be forced to run around and turn it on and of for ppl, if they decide to mine or build.
It dawned on me, that my lack of english skillz, might have let me down yet again..
If i didnt make this point clear, im gona do it now..
Protection is a zone, dedicated to the player in question. Only the player can break blocks ,build or mine in this zone, but it does not have to be turned on and off.. Its placed once and for all, and then the player will never get bothered again.. (I have a weakness for permanent solutions)
If this has been the reason for the lack of intrest in protection, i blame myself for not making this point more clear..
Muhnator
Edit : As for economy, bring it on, it wasnt really the point of this tread, i was more focusing on protection.
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No, hoarding resources just means you have a lot of resources, and nothing else...
You earn currency from trading what you have, which in turn allows you to buy what you need from others, or from the server shop - which will only sell some special things, at very high prices. This is an sink, and reduces inflation. This is how you will acquire zones, and any other unobtainable privileges or items.
You don't earn currency from having diamonds in your chests, you earn money by selling your diamonds to others, as well as spending time on the server, killing animals, and whatever else is used to inject money into the system.
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I think optical has the full grasp of economy now. It's completely customizable, so he can opt to inject money however he wants whether through interest gained, killing, mining, sales, or building. In afct i think we all pretty much understand it.
As far as protections, a lot of protection systems do require staff to come protect your home, this is why I liked residence, staff interaction was not needed, You simply had to have enough currency to protect your own stuff within the parameters set by the host. Personally I really don't care what type of protection is on, I just want protection. I would prefer to not have to wait for a staff member to protect it, but if I do then I do.
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I think optical has the full grasp of economy now. It's completely customizable, so he can opt to inject money however he wants whether through interest gained, killing, mining, sales, or building. In afct i think we all pretty much understand it.
As far as protections, a lot of protection systems do require staff to come protect your home, this is why I liked residence, staff interaction was not needed, You simply had to have enough currency to protect your own stuff within the parameters set by the host. Personally I really don't care what type of protection is on, I just want protection. I would prefer to not have to wait for a staff member to protect it, but if I do then I do.
The one thing I still dislike, is to bedrock protection. I was very happy with another server I played on that had residence, but didn't agree with bedrock so much... (Well, one person used it, nobody else bothered going down to bedrock.)
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The one thing I still dislike, is to bedrock protection. I was very happy with another server I played on that had residence, but didn't agree with bedrock so much... (Well, one person used it, nobody else bothered going down to bedrock.)
See you've just said everything right there. There are very few people who are going to take advantage of all residence has to offer, few total dimension protections, and fewer sky to bedrock, and fewer still total area and sky to bedrock. So it's kinda moot.
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The one thing I still dislike, is to bedrock protection. I was very happy with another server I played on that had residence, but didn't agree with bedrock so much... (Well, one person used it, nobody else bothered going down to bedrock.)
See you've just said everything right there. There are very few people who are going to take advantage of all residence has to offer, few total dimension protections, and fewer sky to bedrock, and fewer still total area and sky to bedrock. So it's kinda moot.
So to make it more simple...
With the current system you are suggesting. (Ressidence)
A : Will i be able to setup any protection as i want it ?
B : Will i be able to make it go to the bedrock ?
C : Will i be able to buy mutilble 96x96x(x) areas ?
All my fear was about, was the server turning into monopoly, and we all of the sudden see ppl hording land, without it being built on.. (Some ppl would see this a goal in the game, even if it not) This is not a problem the first few months, but all i was scared about, was that in a few monts time, there would not be space for any new players.. ( I belive most of us remeber the space reservation issuses in classic)
Im only posting for the good of the server, if im wrong, dont hate me for it..
Muhnator
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Muhn how are u going to talk about no space for guests when u told me u wamted a 400x400 space?
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So to make it more simple...
With the current system you are suggesting. (Ressidence)
A : Will i be able to setup any protection as i want it ?
B : Will i be able to make it go to the bedrock ?
C : Will i be able to buy mutilble 96x96x(x) areas ?
All my fear was about, was the server turning into monopoly, and we all of the sudden see ppl hording land, without it being built on.. (Some ppl would see this a goal in the game, even if it not) This is not a problem the first few months, but all i was scared about, was that in a few monts time, there would not be space for any new players.. ( I belive most of us remeber the space reservation issuses in classic)
Im only posting for the good of the server, if im wrong, dont hate me for it..
Muhnator
Yes, within the parameters Optic sets.
Yes, as well as sky/ceiling provided you have the money to pay for it.
Perhaps, Optic sets how many areas each rank can own as well as size of the area.
The space issue happens on every server if it's a good server. You usually have more players than land to go around for them. But you typically wont see this for a LONG time, unless the server gets REALLY popular.
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So to make it more simple...
With the current system you are suggesting. (Ressidence)
A : Will i be able to setup any protection as i want it ?
B : Will i be able to make it go to the bedrock ?
C : Will i be able to buy mutilble 96x96x(x) areas ?
All my fear was about, was the server turning into monopoly, and we all of the sudden see ppl hording land, without it being built on.. (Some ppl would see this a goal in the game, even if it not) This is not a problem the first few months, but all i was scared about, was that in a few monts time, there would not be space for any new players.. ( I belive most of us remeber the space reservation issuses in classic)
Im only posting for the good of the server, if im wrong, dont hate me for it..
Muhnator
Yes, within the parameters Optic sets.
Yes, as well as sky/ceiling provided you have the money to pay for it.
Perhaps, Optic sets how many areas each rank can own as well as size of the area.
The space issue happens on every server if it's a good server. You usually have more players than land to go around for them. But you typically wont see this for a LONG time, unless the server gets REALLY popular.
Devil :
Im gona rely on you to guide Opti to make this server epic..
Ill apologize for not understanding your tread fully, and on that background my own tread is totally unnessacery..
Nick :
As for the size i waned, i think the total area i need is far from 400x400..Less will be more then enugh..
Bottom line is that i want to be able to make nice things, for ppl to look at, while not having bunkers poping up all around the area im buildin in, as is happening atm..
Muhnator
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
Not if what Devil is saying is right, ill be able to reserve the area i want.
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
Not if what Devil is saying is right, ill be able to reserve the area i want.
Ya but you would would have to buy an incredible amount of 96x96 land.
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
Not if what Devil is saying is right, ill be able to reserve the area i want.
Ya but you would would have to buy an incredible amount of 96x96 land.
And my problem would be ? As i said, im sure i wil totally dominte the economy of the server.. Im allready domintaing the current server. Been giving away diamond and gold, to random ppl.
But with economy ill be able to make money of it, and i have no need at all for gold or diamonds in the wast numbers i get em, so economy is fine by me.. No more welfare from muhnator in 1,9 :D
I understand economy now, and i allmost cant wait, for the 4 weeks of nonstop mining b4 i settle somewere remote, and then go nuts building. Its gona be epic..
Muhnator
Edit : go look at my signs in the mine, im sure you would get a kick out of em..>.<
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Yar I totally look forward to being your "neighbor". I like a little buffer between my own building and mines and my closest neighbors but I think my giant tree would look good next to your designs, and i know I wouldn't have to worry about either of us griefing the other.
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
Not if what Devil is saying is right, ill be able to reserve the area i want.
Ya but you would would have to buy an incredible amount of 96x96 land.
And my problem would be ? As i said, im sure i wil totally dominte the economy of the server.. Im allready domintaing the current server. Been giving away diamond and gold, to random ppl.
But with economy ill be able to make money of it, and i have no need at all for gold or diamonds in the wast numbers i get em, so economy is fine by me.. No more welfare from muhnator in 1,9 :D
I understand economy now, and i allmost cant wait, for the 4 weeks of nonstop mining b4 i settle somewere remote, and then go nuts building. Its gona be epic..
Muhnator
Edit : go look at my signs in the mine, im sure you would get a kick out of em..>.<
So the economy system is so that u can show of ur a rich guy? I mean seriously. This tells me u want ppl know u r rich
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Yar I totally look forward to being your "neighbor". I like a little buffer between my own building and mines and my closest neighbors but I think my giant tree would look good next to your designs, and i know I wouldn't have to worry about either of us griefing the other.
I'm looking forward to having you as a neighbour aswell, since we play the game for the same reasons..
Surviving mobs = Yawn
Surviving mobs, while gathering materials for epic structures = epic fun
Looking forward to the ingame competition :D
Muhnator
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So the economy system is so that u can show of ur a rich guy? I mean seriously. This tells me u want ppl know u r rich
No, again you dont get the point.. I will only be massing money, untill i have the amount i need to buy the spot i want.
You for one should know i dont care about wealth, since you have been a reciever of alot of welfare from me..
Money will just be a tool for me, to make sure i dont get griefed or having neighbourrs that dont spend time on their buildings, or break into my mine.
Muhnator welfare, will prob start again when i have secured my spot, so dont qq yet..
Muhnator
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my giant tree
My hero <3 I have always wanted to build a "World tree (Name for them in WoW (A supermassive tree, which people live on and shit)). If you ever need help, you know who to ask :P
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You are going to see things like bunkers everywhere you go because it is an smp server.
Not if what Devil is saying is right, ill be able to reserve the area i want.
Ya but you would would have to buy an incredible amount of 96x96 land.
And my problem would be ? As i said, im sure i wil totally dominte the economy of the server.. Im allready domintaing the current server. Been giving away diamond and gold, to random ppl.
But with economy ill be able to make money of it, and i have no need at all for gold or diamonds in the wast numbers i get em, so economy is fine by me.. No more welfare from muhnator in 1,9 :D
I understand economy now, and i allmost cant wait, for the 4 weeks of nonstop mining b4 i settle somewere remote, and then go nuts building. Its gona be epic..
Muhnator
Edit : go look at my signs in the mine, im sure you would get a kick out of em..>.<
So the economy system is so that u can show of ur a rich guy? I mean seriously. This tells me u want ppl know u r rich
When we get an economy system, why wouldn't you want everyone to know that you're rich? I know I would. "hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
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"hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
LMFAO
Muhnator
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"hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
LMFAO
Muhnator
You don't have to put your name at the end of your posts, we can see it's you on the left.
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"hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
LMFAO
Muhnator
You don't have to put your name at the end of your posts, we can see it's you on the left.
Someone fix the beta server, i think Nick is bored..
Signed Muhnator.. The muh from the deeps of denmark
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"hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
LMFAO
Muhnator
You don't have to put your name at the end of your posts, we can see it's you on the left.
Someone fix the beta server, i think Nick is bored..
MUHNATOR!!!
Uh... But how does space infinity prove that you are Muh...?
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"hey nick my house is better than yours" "I don't care cause I'm rich biatch".
LMFAO
Muhnator
You don't have to put your name at the end of your posts, we can see it's you on the left.
Someone fix the beta server, i think Nick is bored..
MUHNATOR!!!
Uh... But how does space infinity prove that you are Muh...?
Cuz im an astronaut ;)
Muhnator
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There is this one mod...
Muhnator
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Cuz im an astronaut ;)
Muhnator
guess what, minecraft doesn't have space!
Muhnator
There is this one mod...
Muhnator
This is disgraceful, I demand that you show more respect towards Nick, do not post stupid posts like that, if you want to continue posting here.
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Cuz im an astronaut ;)
Muhnator
guess what, minecraft doesn't have space!
Muhnator
There is this one mod...
Muhnator
This is disgraceful, I demand that you show more respect towards Nick, do not post stupid posts like that, if you want to continue posting here.
I agree with morten, ops deserve respect.
You guys are going ot (specifically muhnator)... I feel that all we need is a trading system to facilitate trading, to prevent scamming. Also a trading station like Runescape's grand exchange would be a good way of selling and buying stuffs...theres no need for a currency, we can use gold as a currency. gold is valuable as we can make powered rails, golden apple, golden blocks, etcetc with it....
So overall, i feel there is only a need for a TRADING system.
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Wait, what now ?
I have nothing but respect for Nick...
Il stop using irony and sarcasm, since it seems like the younger ones dont get it...
My bad
Muhnator
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Yet you continue to put your name at the end of your posts, if u think I was joking when I said dont do that, you are wrong.
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Yet you continue to put your name at the end of your posts, if u think I was joking when I said dont do that, you are wrong.
Sry man :)
I think the reason i misunderstood you was : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw&ob=av3e
"I had warned you all that i wold be iffy this weekend ;) "
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The protected areas should be spread across the map in town type places! with shops and stuff in there.