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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sephir1 on March 11, 2012, 07:24:41 pm
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Hey all Opti People,
some of you might now me, since i loved to build i would say "sepcial" buidlings on opticraft.
I love this Server!! Its pretty much the best i ever played on, a nice community, great and fast reaction from Mods/Opīs and Admin...
It all worked fine, you got griefed from time to time but, the staff could handle it well and it never was a big problem...
But that changed dramactically the last few weeks....im happy for opticraft to get this popular, like the server deserve it, BUT I canīt be, that EVERYDAY i log in my tree and several other buildings like the japanese house or my water sphere got nearly completely destroyed!!!! Thats not a little grief anymore, thats a big destruction which wasting hours of hours of hard work =((
My way of minecraft is to build awesome structures in survival mode, because creative is no challenge for me..."itīs my way of minecraft!" and it was a lot of fun to do so....but now its just a pain and to frustrating to bear anymore, see your buildings day by day got destroyed this much!!!!
HELP OPTICRAFT!!! PLZ OPTICALZA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! My buildings was i would say about 80% to 90% protected with ps stones, but still there was a lot of damage, lately my ps stones failed completely and didnīt protect anything, even worse if i tried to replace them, they became common coal ores!! Wtf!!!oO!! (logan recorded it with me) the money is lost and i dont have the money to get any acceptable protection for my buildings....
My friends "DerSheriff", "Sinedh" and "DarkMarie" also took a look about the buildings and also got some mods to fix grief even when im not on, sheriff told my yesterday that my tree got about 40-50% destroyed whitout even noticing it, he let repair the grief, a few hours later i join the game...same thing...logan and me took it like forever to fix it again...then i log out, came back a few hours later..THE FUCKING SAME!!!!!!!!!!! Wtf is wrong with the people?!?!?!?!?! If there wonīt be done anything about it, i REALLY have to say a very sad goodbye to Opticraft...and a lot of people i really like there, like drowse, persians, logan, royal, tbpb, sheriff, sinedh, marie, gurra, festhos and and and....
plz i dont know what can be done, but there need to be something done...
Thanks all for your time
Much love Sephir1
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As far as I'm concerned, the whole buying protection stones system is flawed. I don't see why protection from griefers has to be something that is earned . If the mods can clearly see that you built something nice, why can't it be protected? Protection stones are all well and good for small things, but expansive builds need something else. I'm pretty sure they're planning on doing something like this in the future.
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Optical has new anti-grief methods to come hopefully, but at the moment he is busy working on much more important things for the server.
Don't let griefing make you leave, it's really annoying and I know that but at the end of the day its one less griefer in the game once they are banned. A lot of the time we even fix stuff without you even having to be online. But as I said, we do our best to control it and there should be preventional things to come.
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As far as I'm concerned, the whole buying protection stones system is flawed. I don't see why protection from griefers has to be something that is earned . If the mods can clearly see that you built something nice, why can't it be protected? Protection stones are all well and good for small things, but expansive builds need something else. I'm pretty sure they're planning on doing something like this in the future.
this is a survival server. it is not about making the fanciest build. it's about earning things and surviving. having mods check out your build is not a fun job for mods. mods should interfere as little as possible.
while i can agree with you that griefing with this many players online is getting to be a problem, i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
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As far as I'm concerned, the whole buying protection stones system is flawed. I don't see why protection from griefers has to be something that is earned . If the mods can clearly see that you built something nice, why can't it be protected? Protection stones are all well and good for small things, but expansive builds need something else. I'm pretty sure they're planning on doing something like this in the future.
this is a survival server. it is not about making the fanciest build. it's about earning things and surviving. having mods check out your build is not a fun job for mods. mods should interfere as little as possible.
while i can agree with you that griefing with this many players online is getting to be a problem, i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
I disagree. I mean, what is 'surviving' really? Growing some wheat in the garden, tossing that together into some bread, and having a proper munch on it from time to time? Then waving your metal sword at the unfortunate skeleton passerby? Pretty much. And then you say 'earning things'? Earning what exactly? Money? To buy more blocks with? Or perhaps diamonds to make tools to get blocks faster? That's all well and good but the only purpose of acquiring these blocks is to actually place them. Thus the purpose on a survival server, as on a creative server is to build things. The only difference between the two types of servers is that on the survival server you get a handicap where you have to collect the blocks yourself and deal with the occasional monster and empty stomach. But the purpose is still very much to build things. Which leads back into what I said about the protection stones. The ONLY purpose of a protection stone is to protect oneself from griefing. Which then makes me wonder why the server makes it so hard to get enough of these for large builds. Why should we, in the case of big areas, have to spend hours and hours mining to make millions of dollars just to protect ourselves from griefing? Why can't we just build and have the server take care of the griefing problem for us?
i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
Why is this? Oh look I built something cool GOD FORBID I want to actually protect that creation of mine. No, the way the server is basically set up now is, Oh, you made this massive awesome place, that's cool I guess. Oh what's that, you don't like getting griefed? Well HAHA, I guess you'll just have to go SLAVE IN THE MINES FOR 9 HOURS TO COBBLE(lol) ENOUGH MONEY TOGETHER TO AFFORD THAT Protection from griefing comes at a premium around here.
Well, that's my two cents on the matter. Adequate protection from griefers isn't something that should have to be earned. Although, I do agree with your point that it wouldn't make sense to have mods flying around giving out the protections. Which is why I think that for small things, protection stones should still be the way to go. But there should be a place where someone can apply for protection over a large area. And when the protection is gotten this way, it will be awarded to the person asking for it only if the thing they want protected is large enough to warrant a special protection stone or whatever. This will only be in the case of large things that acquiring enough protection stones for isn't really feasible. So this isn't for say, "Oh hey I built this hut out in the middle of nowhere, can I haz the protections now?" but just for where the amount of money it would take to protect is truly astronomical.
As I said before I think they're planning on doing something along these lines.
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I agree with Zez.
You forgot /rantoff =p
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So you want us to give out free protection to people who make nice builds, but not people who don't make nice builds? Seems a little one sided. But i agree that this needs to be sorted and we are working on it.
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So you want us to give out free protection to people who make nice builds, but not people who don't make nice builds? Seems a little one sided. But i agree that this needs to be sorted and we are working on it.
I didn't really mean that it would be an objective sort of thing like, "Oh well I really like what you did with the yard but these light fixtures are so drab. Protection denied" I mean like, if someone asked protection for a couple cobble stacked on top of eachother or a dirt mount, then they might get rejected, but beyond that they should be fine.
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As far as I'm concerned, the whole buying protection stones system is flawed. I don't see why protection from griefers has to be something that is earned . If the mods can clearly see that you built something nice, why can't it be protected? Protection stones are all well and good for small things, but expansive builds need something else. I'm pretty sure they're planning on doing something like this in the future.
this is a survival server. it is not about making the fanciest build. it's about earning things and surviving. having mods check out your build is not a fun job for mods. mods should interfere as little as possible.
while i can agree with you that griefing with this many players online is getting to be a problem, i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
I disagree. I mean, what is 'surviving' really? Growing some wheat in the garden, tossing that together into some bread, and having a proper munch on it from time to time? Then waving your metal sword at the unfortunate skeleton passerby? Pretty much. And then you say 'earning things'? Earning what exactly? Money? To buy more blocks with? Or perhaps diamonds to make tools to get blocks faster? That's all well and good but the only purpose of acquiring these blocks is to actually place them. Thus the purpose on a survival server, as on a creative server is to build things. The only difference between the two types of servers is that on the survival server you get a handicap where you have to collect the blocks yourself and deal with the occasional monster and empty stomach. But the purpose is still very much to build things. Which leads back into what I said about the protection stones. The ONLY purpose of a protection stone is to protect oneself from griefing. Which then makes me wonder why the server makes it so hard to get enough of these for large builds. Why should we, in the case of big areas, have to spend hours and hours mining to make millions of dollars just to protect ourselves from griefing? Why can't we just build and have the server take care of the griefing problem for us?
i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
Why is this? Oh look I built something cool GOD FORBID I want to actually protect that creation of mine. No, the way the server is basically set up now is, Oh, you made this massive awesome place, that's cool I guess. Oh what's that, you don't like getting griefed? Well HAHA, I guess you'll just have to go SLAVE IN THE MINES FOR 9 HOURS TO COBBLE(lol) ENOUGH MONEY TOGETHER TO AFFORD THAT
Well, that's my two cents on the matter. Adequate protection from griefers isn't something that should have to be earned.
let's try this again
while i can agree with you that griefing with this many players online is getting to be a problem, i don't think we should just hand out protection stones to people that made something neat, either.
it's more complicated of an issue than you're making it out to be. we have a lot of players now. as we have it now, the mods are already overworked just undoing minor grief, let alone larger projects. it's simply not an option to have more things that need to be manually regulated by mods (i.e determining if a build is worthy of a free protection area). additionally, there will always be the guests that end up complaining about having a build that isn't "good" enough for free protection. nor is it an option to hand out protection stones to people on a build, as there is supposed to be an economy going. you can't just exempt people from paying for protection, because then their wallets get inflated and throws everything out of whack.
it's nice that you can coherently rant about it, but if that time had been spent thinking up a reasonable, fair, and elegant solution to the problem, we might be somewhere other than square 1.
I disagree. I mean, what is 'surviving' really? Growing some wheat in the garden, tossing that together into some bread, and having a proper munch on it from time to time?
if you're going to be this shallow about it, perhaps you would enjoy playing on the classic server instead. or is munching on the occasional bread what you prefer? it sounds to me that you're tired of the SMP game concepts and just want to throw down some blocks for passerby guests to gawk at, which is not my problem.
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Dejected thinking up smart ass replies isn't solving anything either.
Classic has the system of ranks etc, where the Ops decide on the ranks.. It seems to be working for now, people complain.. people will always complain. Why not at least trial the system that is already used and has been used for a while now?
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Dejected thinking up smart ass replies isn't solving anything either.
Classic has the system of ranks etc, where the Ops decide on the ranks.. It seems to be working for now, people complain.. people will always complain. Why not at least trial the system that is already used and has been used for a while now?
Because this is way different than ranks.
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Dejected thinking up smart ass replies isn't solving anything either.
Classic has the system of ranks etc, where the Ops decide on the ranks.. It seems to be working for now, people complain.. people will always complain. Why not at least trial the system that is already used and has been used for a while now?
Because this is way different than ranks.
I mean in the way that it's mods choice. That system seems to work, people still complain.
I know protection is different to ranks but the problems with the system wouldn't change, but at least there would be a system.
And a trial for it in a certain area or something couldn't hurt.
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Alright, first off to be fair I did get carried away with the ranting. I don't mean to pick a fight on this issue. It's just that it's getting old having to go through this daily routine of detailing everything that was damaged in the nightly griefer raid to a mod and having to wander around with them for 10 minutes to get everything fixed. It wastes everyone's time and there is no reason for it. Secondly, I realize that dealing with applications for protection would add a lot of work for mods and such, which is why the applications would only be for very large builds, aka cities. This would make the number of applications quite manageable. In regards to this causing inflation, I don't really see that being an issue. This is in the case of builds that are so large that it is unreasonable to imagine buying enough protection stones for them. In this case, the money for the protection stones never existed in the first place and the only difference will be that that person's house is now protected.
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Alright, first off to be fair I did get carried away with the ranting. Secondly, I realize that dealing with applications for protection would add a lot of work for mods and such, which is why the applications would only be for very large builds, aka cities. This would make the number of applications quite manageable. Also as far as the economy goes, it wouldn't have a negative effect. To the contrary, it would have a positive one. Think about it, when someone buys a protection stone, that money is gone forever . poof If that person didn't have to waste their money on griefer protection, they could have used that to buy something from another player. Now, of course, the way the economy is, it's far more likely they'd just go buy it from the market and that money will be gone forever anyways, but that's another story.
It would start off as a lot of work, but once people start getting protected there will be less work on the grief fixing side of things.
It's not the perfect system and I've said you could always trial it. Everyone agrees on the problem but noone wants to try out an answer.
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Let me put it this way, only we can change the permissions on zones, that means any time you want to let someone build inside, you would have to contact us and we would have to add that person in. That is a very big hassle.
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Well it would only be the house and farm, wouldn't give them a backyard or anything, if they have friends they could just build next door.
But I see that issue.
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Let me put it this way, only we can change the permissions on zones, that means any time you want to let someone build inside, you would have to contact us and we would have to add that person in. That is a very big hassle.
I hadn't realized that. I had imagined it as a protection stone set to the dimensions of the city that we could use some command to add people too. If that's not possible then yea, that would be a large hassle. Probably too large to be honest if there were a lot of cities set up this way. Hell even just a couple would be a pain in the arse. So unless you could make it something that the city owners could handle I guess it wouldn't really be feasible.
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I had an idea about protection stones that might not help the truly huge projects but might would help with projects like walls and such.
What if the person who placed the protection stone could customize it's dimensions? Now before you say something, I mean that they could customize the dimensions within the same max amount of area covered. Now my math isn't amazing here, but I'll give it a try...
Say you have a 3 wide by 4 high block wall around your home/compound that's say... 100 blocks long. You could with the current system, buy 10 11x11x11(1331 blocks) sized protection stones to protect it. But let's say you can modify those placed P. Stones dimensions protect any sized area less than or equal to 1331 blocks total. You could then edit them to cover a 5x6x44 (1320 blocks) therefore only needing roughly 3 stones! (If the wall was straight of course, which it is for simplicity's sake).
This could also be useful for creations like pixel art, since they're usually extremely tall but very thin, dramatically decreasing the amount of stones needed to protect them.
Now like I said, this system wouldn't really help with massive buildings and such, but they might could be used to protect just the outside of such structures to prevent entry.
This should just involve some permissions tweaks in the code as oppose to constant moderator help. But keep in mind, their would have to be a way to keep each P. Stone type from going past it's max area coverage when edited. I don't code much, but I figured it might be feasible.
Just my 2 cents.
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hmm some other thought, what about the "claim land" system, could it be more useful then the ps stones?!?!
tobs you have a point i will wait and see how the things roll on, im sure opti will come up with something sooner or later =)
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If u put a p stone, it means u find ur build valuable enough to protect.
If you can't afford it, mine for ores,earn some money to buy pstone before building
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Protection stones should be free :l
This is what I think
I'll give a classic example to it
It is like asking guests to build mega cool things to fix their old griefed stuff
Why would you pay to be protected.
Even if we had to pay
There should be decent prices not 1500 and more o.o
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Protection stones should be free :l
This is what I think
I'll give a classic example to it
It is like asking guests to build mega cool things to fix their old griefed stuff
Why would you pay to be protected.
Even if we had to pay
There should be decent prices not 1500 and more o.o
They cost so much because they can be used to grief just as easily as they can be used to protect your own land.
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Sephir if your reading this please PM me soon.
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People have actually started breaking into my spawned/meln farm and grieving t to high heaven! (it's also tb's farm/spawner)
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about zones i think that it will work on very large buildings.Only large not small.Because PS are to expensive on that type of buildings
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Perhaps a discounted protection stone, as opposed to completely free.
perhaps a 75% discount for a city price for like 20 protection stones, I don't know... :P
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Lol I just had raul attempt to undo grief on like 20 different small holes on my project. I know many ppl have already seen my build, if not here's the link :P http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,6624.0.html and you can imagine that a structure like that gets greifed just about every day.
I feel for a project that has such a large scale size, a person should be able to request to get it zone off, similar to how ppl can request private worlds in classic for their large projects. If the person put that much effort into building it, I don't see why that person should be denied an easier way of protecting it relative to smaller structures. Honestly I think zoning would be a better fix because the mods would use up more time undoing the grief on a non-zoned project then enabling friends to build on it. (Just think of the ratio of griefers to ppl who actually help build)
I think the requirements for requesting zoning should be something like this:
trusted rank+ (that way the person's build would most likely be known by the ops beforehand and the ops can make an easier judgement on whether this is worht their time)
build must exceed ???x???x??? I'm not sure what the minimum dimensions for a zone is (I guess the ops could decide what a worthy size would be)
person must be working on this build alot (Meaning this project has to be something the builder is serious about finishing, again something that can be judged easier if that person is trusted. Also they should have a topic on it)
build must be getting greifed on multiple occasions (if the build isn't getting greifed alot then obviously a protection measure like this wouldn't be need)
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Lol I just had raul attempt to undo grief on like 20 different small holes on my project. I know many ppl have already seen my build, if not here's the link :P http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,6624.0.html and you can imagine that a structure like that gets greifed just about every day.
I feel for a project that has such a large scale size, a person should be able to request to get it zone off, similar to how ppl can request private worlds in classic for their large projects. If the person put that much effort into building it, I don't see why that person should be denied an easier way of protecting it relative to smaller structures. Honestly I think zoning would be a better fix because the mods would use up more time undoing the grief on a non-zoned project then enabling friends to build on it. (Just think of the ratio of griefers to ppl who actually help build)
I think the requirements for requesting zoning should be something like this:
trusted rank+ (that way the person's build would most likely be known by the ops beforehand and the ops can make an easier judgement on whether this is worht their time)
build must exceed ???x???x??? I'm not sure what the minimum dimensions for a zone is (I guess the ops could decide what a worthy size would be)
person must be working on this build alot (Meaning this project has to be something the builder is serious about finishing, again something that can be judged easier if that person is trusted. Also they should have a topic on it)
build must be getting greifed on multiple occasions (if the build isn't getting greifed alot then obviously a protection measure like this wouldn't be need)
that is completely unprotected? you've had 19 people help with it and you can't pool together the 500k or so it would take to protect it all?
the point is that you shouldn't be able to just come on here and start a massive project and expect some staff member to protect it for you. it's a purely survival server... protecting your own creations is just a part of it. it can't really be the staffs problem if you start a project that you can't support financially.
if you can design a better protection system that requires no staff intervention, is easy for players to use, can't be easily used to grief, and revolves around the economy, then feel free to suggest it.
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I got banned when I first started on this server because I stole a bunch of glow stones.
Once I got back on, I was under the impression that I could build and if someone griefed me, I could contact a mod, get the grief rolled back and everything is good.
I spent a LOT of time building a starship, probably close to 30 hours. Over the course of two weeks it became a ruin. The mods where way too busy to roll it back. When a mod finally came to help, I needed to point everything out. The nose of the ship was near level 128, so I couldn't point out every damaged area. The mod eventually told me "BRB" and never came right back.
I think the mods spend so much time fixing grief they don't even want to take on such a massive, griefed structure.
So, I let the starship go and it is just a pile of blocks now, no one knows what it was. Kind of sad, I don't have the motivation to build anything because no matter where it is, it gets torn apart. Trying to report grief is a pain because the mods are too busy. So the players that grief me get away with it now.
The mods should have a way to roll back a certain area easily. I don't know the technical details, but something like that would have helped me and my starship.
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I got banned when I first started on this server because I stole a bunch of glow stones.
Once I got back on, I was under the impression that I could build and if someone griefed me, I could contact a mod, get the grief rolled back and everything is good.
I spent a LOT of time building a starship, probably close to 30 hours. Over the course of two weeks it became a ruin. The mods where way too busy to roll it back. When a mod finally came to help, I needed to point everything out. The nose of the ship was near level 128, so I couldn't point out every damaged area. The mod eventually told me "BRB" and never came right back.
I think the mods spend so much time fixing grief they don't even want to take on such a massive, griefed structure.
So, I let the starship go and it is just a pile of blocks now, no one knows what it was. Kind of sad, I don't have the motivation to build anything because no matter where it is, it gets torn apart. Trying to report grief is a pain because the mods are too busy. So the players that grief me get away with it now.
The mods should have a way to roll back a certain area easily. I don't know the technical details, but something like that would have helped me and my starship.
your entire starship may be recoverable with a single carefully crafted logblock redo command. try contacting one of the higher ups via mumble- it's far easier to be helped when you're there to talk to.
edit: I got drowse to use a /redo command on it- while the sand didn't all fall into the correct place, it's quite a bit better right now. We do care, and will undo the grief, but buy a damn protection stone.
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the point is that you shouldn't be able to just come on here and start a massive project and expect some staff member to protect it for you. it's a purely survival server... protecting your own creations is just a part of it. it can't really be the staffs problem if you start a project that you can't support financially.
Gods forbid the staff actually attempts to stop griefing before it happens.
Getting a huge project secure from griefing would lower a LOT of the "Help I got griefed" calls that you get, you know why?
because they won't get griefed.
most people don't build massive projects, and when I say massive, I mean MASSIVE not the regular big projects that everyone does, projects such as Nyssa's.
It's a strain on the moderators when massive projects get griefed & have them spend their own game time into fixing things that could be prevented.
and I offered a simple solution, You can put a section on the forums, perhaps under "Support" where you apply for a protection stone discount, possibly a custom protection stone that covers X by Y amount of blocks, based on the size of your project, and an X amount of money based on the size, and a discount, also based on the size AND cost.
No one wants to sit in a mine for hours, just grinding on whatever to make money, get their projects protected, when they KNOW that moderators will come about and fix everything anyways, the prices of the protection stones are simply too high, and the amount of protection stones needed is also insane.
keep the protection stones, put at a price, If it's possible (and I know it is) the existing stones could be tweeked for certain people, perhaps a redstone protection stone, that covers 200 x 200 blocks, for 45,000$ + permission to own a redstone protection stone for a project.
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Hey Sephir :)
I know how you feel after putting in many hours of work on your creations... and I must add that you are one of my favorite builders on this server, but I do hope that you might consider staying and putting up with our growth issues we are having right now. I know we are experiencing higher volumes of players and with that comes the good and the bad, however with team downcast trying to shut us down and the server running at max amount of players it takes time to get it all sorted out. I have to say that after trying many other servers this is one of the better servers I have tried and I'm sure it will be worth planting your feet and staying. I would also like to think that if you send the mods a tell they would come out and help you out with your grief :)
It would be nice if you could claim land for players that have larger creations hmm maybe this might be possible in the future.
Please continue to your awesome creations I know I appreciate them :)
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@deject3d
Thanks! It looks better, I need to finish the interior, so I can fix the rest of it while I do that.
I had been mining up a storm to pay or protection stones, cause I need at least 10 coal, so that is $15,000. By the time I had a couple gold blocks, the thing was a mess and I gave up. I just hope I can get that amount mined before the griefers tear it all down again.
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i got so pissed by griefers that i donated $30 to opti, to get 2 diamond ps, 4 lapis ps and some other coal ps xD
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@logan sry dude didnt have much time to read the stuff here, tried to pm you, but i have some "insert letters from picture" issue...canīt see the letters so the pm wont accepted, maybe there is some plugin missing?! you know something that could help me?!
@Kian welcome in the club ;P
@Drowse
gosh you are always sooo nice bro,
i feel really honored and proud about your words!! And i agree with you until, now i didnt find any server that can compared with opti, i love it there and after a few sleepovers i decided to get back there...its not really about the server for itself (its great) but its also about the people which playing on the server and that idiots will constantly get banned so a nice community build up there (for me and even more important point)
I know its hard to deal with so many people and opti running at max and i know you all give your best in holding it together, hope it will get better in time and the staff will come up with some solution...
but i learned my lesson, i will never build stuff, thats beyond my financials...i have a pretty big melon farm and spent soooo much time on mining but still i didnīt ever get enough money to fully protect my builds...so i can feel with the people, who start to think, they could never protect large buildings, it feels a bit like that.
I mean its ok, that you should have to work for the protection, if it would be free, it could cause a pretty big issue. But when you spent hours of hours with earning money and dont even see an end, its getting kind of odd ;P
I have BIG plans, that will overcome everything i build by far until now, but before i start such stuff i need to have trust in the issue, that i can protect such a work with a realistic amount of work =)
So like i wrote before, i seems like i just have to lean back for a bit and wait until opticraft adjust to the new situation with more people joining us (which is really cool btw and opti deserves it)
its essentialy sad that we even have to discuss such stuff because of some idiots/kids who have fun to destroy other players buildings xD
best wishes to all ;)
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Glad to hear you are coming back. Log in some time soon. I hope to see you around. I've tried to fix your stuff while you were gone. There isn't much griefed.
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thanks a lot logan!!!!
very nice of you, got some time today and will say hello ;)
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Its nice to keep the good players here.
Welcome back. Unfortunately, I just read the topic. ALl the week I was busy with training and the college classes.
I know how you feel, and I believe the most of us, since griefing is a major problem for all the Minecraft players.
I faced a situation like this yesterday when 2 people came in my home, they destroyed it , they made the walls with holes, they destroyed 500+ roots of mellons and when their inventory was full, they were dropping the stuff into water.
Thanks to Drowse, the GREAT Drowse, all were normal again..
I wish I could have their IPs. I could play with those guys, but I dont have them.
Dont give it up dude. Continue the good work!
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Thx spa =)
Uh your story isnt bad as well!!! xD
But i agree the mods really give there best to hold the store together =D
And if i would have a ip of such guys i would love to face them on pvp deathban servers and personally ban them from every server they would show up ;P
See you around dude, also dont give up yourself, there will be better days for sure ;D
Opti is awesome and stay awesome thats it!!!
Thx again Drowse and Logan, that you safed my life on this server, i will NEVER forget that!!!!
Also thanks to all the other people, which build me up and had some nice words...the community is so great here, lets keep an eye on this treasure ;)
Best wishes to all