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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: wildone234 on May 18, 2012, 08:10:21 pm

Title: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 18, 2012, 08:10:21 pm
I was asking a trusted to place water when i came up with the idea that players should be able to place water, lava and light fires within their own protection stones.

Just a thought i had so don't get angry if it's bad.


Thanks!
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: omaroo2 on May 18, 2012, 08:18:36 pm
No, it's hard to trust people, even if they had the trusted rank.
Ask mods if you need Lava.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Spamarian on May 18, 2012, 08:19:21 pm
You set an interesting term. "In their own protection stones".
Interesting.
I used my powers(water placement) before today, for a player.
The same offer and other Trusted.
I believe, you can get water fast if you type /helpop "I need water please, thank you. (member)" Or watever else you think is proper.

Lets see how this topic will get developed!
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: ViperZeroOne on May 18, 2012, 08:39:07 pm
I think the way the current permissions are setup is just fine.  Mods+ should be the only ones with Lava, and giving Water to people who just have to register on the forum is a VERY bad idea.  With all the players not placing protection stones, even if you limited the usage to inside your PS area it would still be easy to grief someone with water.  All you would have to do is place a PS, drop the water, and take your PS.

The way things are seems fine.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 18, 2012, 10:06:18 pm
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with the current system; it was just a thought.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Yomo on May 18, 2012, 10:10:54 pm
Yeah, Like maybe a system where you can ONLY place water, lava, fire in your own PS regions.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bigbeno37 on May 18, 2012, 10:29:29 pm
Your idea is a good one, but there are griefers who would misuse it to grief others. Take for example a griefer bought a PS and went to a random unprotected house. When he places down the PS, he instantly gets out lava and pours it everywhere in the house. The user comes back online and goes to his /home. He is shortly engulfed by the lava and dies, losing all his items. The user then ragequits from Opticraft and is never is heard of again.

Short story: Griefers will take advantage of this
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Yomo on May 18, 2012, 10:47:01 pm
You're right, I didnt think about that. But I guess there is no possible way for this to work
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bigbeno37 on May 19, 2012, 02:07:02 am
Sorry wildone, but your idea is flawed. Please rely on Moderators+ to give you water / lava / fire
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: ViperZeroOne on May 19, 2012, 04:20:01 am
Quote from: bigbeno37 on May 19, 2012, 02:07:02 am
Sorry wildone, but your idea is flawed. Please rely on Moderators+ to give you water / lava / fire

You can ask Trusted's nicely to place water for you if you can't get a Mod.   :)
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bigbeno37 on May 19, 2012, 05:31:05 am
Like myself :P
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 10:10:19 am
Hmm. I guess you're right. I'll work hard to become trusted so that i can help others with water.

Thank you to everyone who posted constructive criticisim.

Bye.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: matticus21 on May 19, 2012, 10:16:07 am
It would be a neat idea, sadly it would be miss used as said earlier
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: cschurz on May 19, 2012, 11:31:57 am
Quote from: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 10:10:19 am
Hmm. I guess you're right. I'll work hard to become trusted so that i can help others with water.

Thank you to everyone who posted constructive criticisim.

Bye.

don't discount this idea just yet. it has potential, and i'm thinking of a way to make it un-abusable. it's a very good concept, it just needs a little extra something.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bigbeno37 on May 19, 2012, 12:31:02 pm
Quote from: cschurz on May 19, 2012, 11:31:57 am
Quote from: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 10:10:19 am
Hmm. I guess you're right. I'll work hard to become trusted so that i can help others with water.

Thank you to everyone who posted constructive criticisim.

Bye.

don't discount this idea just yet. it has potential, and i'm thinking of a way to make it un-abusable. it's a very good concept, it just needs a little extra something.

Not to disapprove your theory, but I personally do not see how this could possibly be un-abuseable. Sure we could make it so that if it detects a secondary PS it doesn't work, but for those people wothout them it is a griefers paradise. And as for your 'something extra', what could that possibly mean? I don't intend to ruin your thoughts on this but it is a flawed suggestion.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: cschurz on May 19, 2012, 01:51:09 pm
Quote from: bigbeno37 on May 19, 2012, 12:31:02 pm
Quote from: cschurz on May 19, 2012, 11:31:57 am
Quote from: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 10:10:19 am
Hmm. I guess you're right. I'll work hard to become trusted so that i can help others with water.

Thank you to everyone who posted constructive criticisim.

Bye.

don't discount this idea just yet. it has potential, and i'm thinking of a way to make it un-abusable. it's a very good concept, it just needs a little extra something.

Not to disapprove your theory, but I personally do not see how this could possibly be un-abuseable. Sure we could make it so that if it detects a secondary PS it doesn't work, but for those people wothout them it is a griefers paradise. And as for your 'something extra', what could that possibly mean? I don't intend to ruin your thoughts on this but it is a flawed suggestion.

first of all, we wouldn't allow members to place lava, so your example situation would never happen.

placing water in a protection-stoned area is virtually harmless except for the fact that the flow of water breaks things and it is difficult to undo the damage using logblock. it shouldn't matter if someone decided to grief with water or a pickaxe. right now, it's more difficult to undo water grief because it's not as simple as a logblock undo. if we can find a way to undo water grief quickly and easily, i see no problems at all with wildone's idea.

it's already possible to grief an unprotected house by placing a protection stone in it (or simply griefing it the traditional way). if we remove water when the protection stone is broken and improve our rollback tools to better undo water grief, then i see no faults.

and everyone should note: moderators are not going to bend over backwards fixing your grief if you refuse to protect your house. the only potential problem with wildone's idea is only possible when people fail to protect their house - we simply can't be responsible for such damage when we hand you the tools to protect yourself.

and no, saying that protection stones are too expensive is not an excuse. it is a survival server. you build small and work your way up.

BUT I DIGRESS.

we should keep the discussion going here. your over-simplified example situation is not a reason for the idea to be fundamentally flawed and impossible to implement, bigbeno. this has potential.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 05:07:18 pm
I was thinking, that maybe the water, lava, or fire wouldn't be able to spread outside of your protection stone.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 19, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
And i would personally only want to place water for a farm or a decorative pond, and fire for a fireplace.


It occured to me how many good ideas are rejected because of griefers. Sad.


Thanks to everyone.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Yomo on May 19, 2012, 05:16:09 pm
Well yeah, But like Dejected said, It has potential and other people use water for different purposes
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:32:58 pm
Deject, there is a quick and easy way to undo water grief, the history shows as WaterFlow:
(click to show/hide)

Just as my own 2 cents, what would happen to the Water when the protection stone is removed??? It would seem very hard to make the water disappear when a PS is removed.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Yomo on May 19, 2012, 05:35:55 pm
Quote from: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:32:58 pm

Just as my own 2 cents, what would happen to the Water when the protection stone is removed??? It would seem very hard to make the water disappear when a PS is removed.
The water would be there, But you cannot place it again, But you can remove it. Like how it is now when we place water for  members
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:39:34 pm
Quote from: Yomo on May 19, 2012, 05:35:55 pm
Quote from: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:32:58 pm

Just as my own 2 cents, what would happen to the Water when the protection stone is removed??? It would seem very hard to make the water disappear when a PS is removed.
The water would be there, But you cannot place it again, But you can remove it. Like how it is now when we place water for  members

My point is, that would make it easy for players to place a PS and water and leave it, making it our job to remove and it could potentially become griefing. In a perfect world, players would remove water before moving but this isnt a perfect world.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: partyguy15 on May 19, 2012, 06:35:19 pm
Just a question, if you place water out of a bucket and you touch it for the second that it is there does it put out the fire
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: cschurz on May 19, 2012, 11:46:16 pm
Quote from: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:39:34 pm
Quote from: Yomo on May 19, 2012, 05:35:55 pm
Quote from: bantam2 on May 19, 2012, 05:32:58 pm

Just as my own 2 cents, what would happen to the Water when the protection stone is removed??? It would seem very hard to make the water disappear when a PS is removed.
The water would be there, But you cannot place it again, But you can remove it. Like how it is now when we place water for  members

My point is, that would make it easy for players to place a PS and water and leave it, making it our job to remove and it could potentially become griefing. In a perfect world, players would remove water before moving but this isnt a perfect world.

removing water when a stone is removed wouldn't be terribly difficult. to do it cleanly would require modification of both the Logblock and Precious Stones plugin, but it is possible.

i believe that this is a fairly elegant solution to the water problem.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Duinis on May 20, 2012, 05:56:09 am
Hahah, that was what I was thinking as I read down this thread.
Yes, that is a very good idea. Water placed by members- would need to be inside a protection stone.
That way, griefers would have to keep their ps stone there to keep the water there.
Only the most determined (and somehow rich) griefers would be able to actually grief, if we did this.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: ViperZeroOne on May 20, 2012, 07:20:04 am
Quote from: Duinis on May 20, 2012, 05:56:09 am
Hahah, that was what I was thinking as I read down this thread.
Yes, that is a very good idea. Water placed by members- would need to be inside a protection stone.
That way, griefers would have to keep their ps stone there to keep the water there.
Only the most determined (and somehow rich) griefers would be able to actually grief, if we did this.

While this is true, how would it affect other situations?  I wouldn't want to have to place water every time I needed to / felt like moving/replacing a PS.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Duinis on May 20, 2012, 08:44:11 am
Hmm...True, true.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 20, 2012, 11:37:29 am
I also thought that either when you remove your ps, it won't let you remove it until all water/fire/lava is gone,or when you remove it, all water/fire/lava disappears.
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: Boshiwarrior on May 20, 2012, 11:58:52 am
Quote from: wildone234 on May 20, 2012, 11:37:29 am
I also thought that either when you remove your ps, it won't let you remove it until all water/fire/lava is gone,or when you remove it, all water/fire/lava disappears.
Then I can never sell my home to another. My home is light up with lava. (It is griefed a lot but I have now 2 Lapis PS.)
Title: Re: Water/Lava/Fire placment
Post by: wildone234 on May 20, 2012, 12:49:33 pm
Well, if you want to sell your house, include the price of two lapis protection stones in the total cost of the house, and than transfer the ownership to the buyer.